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Re: w3.org/ns/opengov

From: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 20:11:23 +0000 (UTC)
To: James McKinney <james@slashpoundbang.com>, Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
Cc: <public-opengov@w3.org>, Daniel Schwabe <dschwabe@inf.puc-rio.br>
Message-ID: <1932271240.2700265.1447963883869.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
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On Thu, 11/19/15, Phil Archer <phila@w3.org> wrote:

In an ideal world, I could point you to a tool that members of the CG
could use to manage the namespace, adding new terms, translations of
existing terms, clarifying old ones, maybe deprecating them, and the
tool would magically maintain all the different serialisations and
schemas. Wouldn't that be a good Christmas present? (If someone has the
time and skills to build such a tool, we're all ears - it's been on our
wish list for ages).
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Be careful what you wish for, Phil, you might get it :)

200+ years ago Gauss computed Easter (And Passover, Theology is not important in this case).  Gauss was a great mathematician who used quantum mechanics even though there was no name for it at the time.  His career choice was even better.  A peer and a great chemist, Antoine de Lavoisier was executed in the Terror, not because he was a chemist but because he was a Tax Collector.

What Gauss did was SELECT DISTINCT DATE(Sunday) from YEAR where Name = 'EASTER'.  How do you write that in SPARQL ?  You can't.  Maintain 'all the different serializations' of time ?  There is only one in real space.

There are plenty of schema, however, because the Sequence Indicators (Julian Day, COBAL Day, Birthdays, Beginnings of all sorts) yield a "flexible" Serial Number=Sequence Indicator +1, unless they don't.  The Great Year (A 4 Year span always includes exactly 1461 days including 1 unique date name for Feb. 29).  There are two ways to compute (forecast) the "creep" (intermediate values): 1) sum the Fourier Series 2) A least squares fit ("Polar") to 1461 Named "Solar Noons" sums the same series and gives linear and periodic components.

The schema for Gauss's data base is what is important for navigation - not only Easter but all the dates have to match their "forecast" names.  This is a vector validation of the 'creep'.  Gauss was snatching the low hanging fruit and given the "career wizard" risk one can't blame him.  Gauss got one date for Easter which bounces around, and I'm offering one vector which does not.

So, yes, I can give you that Christmas present, but first consider the W3C Semantic Legacy problems ...  

1) You will face push-back from Tax Collectors (Toll Booth Operators, Walled Gardeners, etc.).  They are convinced that they deserve a better Christmas present than they got last year - Ontologies are additive aren't they ?  The semantic web needs an iconic de Lavoisier Mask, Guy Fawkes Masks are not subtle enough.

2) The Equation of Time used by Astronomers to sync watches and Sun Dials is a bit of a red herring. Astronomers used terms like "obliquity of the elliptic" to keep from being burned at the stake as wizards. We probably can retire that one.  The variance about Midsummer's Night's Noon is what one wants: Humans still measure with the Agricultural Year - growing season.  That "Industrial Revolution" thing was just Retail Happy Talk.  It happens in the gift giving season.  A good day's work for Artificial Intelligence will turn out to be exactly 24 hours worth, I think, although you might be able to win some bar bets with fellows named Hawking, Musk or Brin until they catch on.

But if you really, really want it, Phil, Santa will oblige.  The elves are making data base lookup tables as we speak.

--Gannon

 




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On Thu, 11/19/15, Phil Archer <phila@w3.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: w3.org/ns/opengov
 To: "James McKinney" <james@slashpoundbang.com>
 Cc: public-opengov@w3.org, "Daniel Schwabe" <dschwabe@inf.puc-rio.br>
 Date: Thursday, November 19, 2015, 6:26 AM
 
 
 
 On 18/11/2015 15:07, James McKinney wrote:
 > Hi Phil,
 >
 > I checked the archives, but I could not
 find Daniel Schwabe’s message. Was it made to another
 list?
 >
 > I had been
 using that namespace as a placeholder with the intention of
 eventually following up about its use. (To my knowledge,
 everyone is using Popolo as plain JSON and not taking
 advantage of any RDF features, so nothing relies on the
 namespace at the moment.) I chose that namespace because my
 understanding of the terms for W3C Community Groups is that
 an identically-named namespace can be made available.
 However, I haven’t spoken to anyone at W3C about it. So,
 let this be the start of that discussion! What are the next
 steps?
 
 Hi James,
 
 Yes, as the work is being done
 in a CG, that means that IPR commitments 
 have been made and there's 'sufficient
 process' to be comfortable with 
 the
 namespace being used. So it's a pretty shallow hill to
 climb.
 
 In an ideal world, I
 could point you to a tool that members of the CG 
 could use to manage the namespace, adding new
 terms, translations of 
 existing terms,
 clarifying old ones, maybe deprecating them, and the 
 tool would magically maintain all the different
 serialisations and 
 schemas. Wouldn't
 that be a good Christmas present? (If someone has the 
 time and skills to build such a tool, we're
 all ears - it's been on our 
 wish list
 for ages).
 
 Meanwhile,
 ahem... it's a case of me (or another W3Team member)
 manually 
 committing files to our CVS
 repository which I'm happy to do for you as 
 and when. It's a trivial task but
 nevertheless it is a manual task for now.
 
 What I would ask for as a
 minimum is an HTML page that I can post to 
 /ns/opengov that includes pointers to the
 documentation and info about 
 the vocab. We
 are generally not happy though with redirects although, 
 with clearance from higher up the food chain
 here, that *might* be possible.
 
 HTH
 
 Phil.
 
 
 
 >
 > Cheers,
 >
 > James
 >
 >> On Nov 18, 2015,
 at 10:00 AM, Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
 wrote:
 >>
 >>
 James,
 >>
 >> As
 you may recall from his postings on this list a few weeks
 back, Daniel Schwabe is looking into using the Popolo
 vocabulary. He's brought my attention to
 your/Popolo's use of a w3.org namespace that doesn't
 dereference, i.e. www.w3.org/ns/opengov
 >>
 >> We can
 probably help with that, i.e. we could potentially host the
 vocabulary, but we'd need to go through a few hoops to
 get there. Can you please fill me in on how the use of this
 namespace has come about? Did you talk to anyone at W3C
 about it? I want to be helpful and support the work you/this
 community is doing as it's clearly valuable but in order
 to do that, we need to work together.
 >>
 >> Thanks
 >>
 >> Phil.
 >>
 >> --
 >>
 >>
 >> Phil Archer
 >>
 W3C Data Activity Lead
 >> http://www.w3.org/2013/data/
 >>
 >> http://philarcher.org
 >> +44 (0)7887 767755
 >> @philarcher1
 >
 
 -- 
 
 
 Phil Archer
 W3C Data Activity
 Lead
 http://www.w3.org/2013/data/
 
 http://philarcher.org
 +44 (0)7887 767755
 @philarcher1
 
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