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Re: Recording geolocation of the annotation (where the annotation has been created)

From: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 20:36:52 +0200
Message-ID: <51F17044.6000909@few.vu.nl>
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Hi,

I'm not from PROV, but have two brief comments:

1. WGS84 is good for expressing co-ordinates for a location resource

2. What are the use case for geo-locating annotations and linking the annotation to a location resource? Are they so common, and specific, that you would have to handle them by introducing a new property in OA? I'd be tempted to just rely on any general solution for recording any user-generated events...

Best,

Antoine



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> The use of prov:atLocation, associated with the annotating activity seems like a good approach to me at the PROV level.  To follow the mapping into the OA predicates, I think your suggested annotatedAtLocation is the right term with a clear translation into the full PROV model.
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> Any PROV folks like to comment? Stian? Antoine?
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> Rob
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> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Paolo Ciccarese <paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com <mailto:paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>     In second analysis, I believe that seems ok if we associate prov:atLocation to the Activity of 'annotating'?
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>     On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Paolo Ciccarese <paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com <mailto:paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>         Hi Rob,
>         that is a good point.
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>         As I would like to record the location of the 'annotation creation', it would probably be better to have something like oa:annotatedAtLocation then?
>         That would be more consistent with the OA model. Unfortunately it seems less in line with how others do it :/
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>         I see in PROV the property: **http://www.w3.org/ns/prov#atLocation
>         but I am still not sure the definition ("The Location of any resource.") is compatible with what I am trying to do.
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>         Maybe we can ask to the PROV folks?
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>         Paolo
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>         On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Robert Sanderson <azaroth42@gmail.com <mailto:azaroth42@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>             Hi Paolo,
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>             While I'm happy with using the geo ontology, I'm not sure that geo:location is the right predicate to use with the Annotation, given the collapsing of the annotation document/concept.  Is it the annotating or serializing activity, in PROV terms, which the location is referring to?
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>             The ontology defines geo:location as:
>                  "The relation between something and the point, or other geometrical thing in space, where it is."
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>             I'm not sure that the location of the annotator at the time they created the annotation concept is "where it [the annotation] is."  That seems more like the location of the storage system (annotation as document) or just not a point in space (annotation as a concept).
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>             Could you explain how you would see the mapping into the PROV model?
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>             Thanks!
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>             Rob
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>             On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Paolo Ciccarese <paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com <mailto:paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>                 I was looking into recording the geolocation at the annotation level (where the annotation has been generated, not the body).
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>                 Is the vocabulary:
>                 http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#
>                 the best option?
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>                 How do we recommend to link it to the annotation?
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>                 I was looking at this: http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelations_and_Geo_/_Location_Data
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>                 Are we good with this?
>                 geo:location [ geo:lat "48.0802626"; geo:long "11.6407428". ].
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>                 vCard seems another options as explained in that page.
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>                 Best,
>                 Paolo
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