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Re: Streamlining the OA Model oax:range vs, endIndex

From: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 19:02:59 +0200
Message-ID: <505DEF43.5030802@few.vu.nl>
To: <public-openannotation@w3.org>
+1 to what Bob said.
No offense, but it's not as if the current model was a second version of some official standard. So it seems fair to deprecate a pattern that would be clearly sub-optimal. And probably at this stage the implementors who may have implemented the pattern to be removed can be contacted, to check with them if it's alright!

Antoine


> With this or \any/ change, there is always the problem of backward
> compatibility.  If the proposed change (which I favor) is adopted, I
> think the previous should be deprecated and people urged to even
> consider publishing existing annotations in the new form also, perhaps
> with an oa:equivalentAnnotation if necessary.
>
> Two semantically equivalent ways publishing always run a risk of some
> kind of issue or other.  If both are in the core--so that both are
> expected to be treated by compliant consumers, then in the current
> case it seems like the main problem is that producers are imposing
> more processing on consumers and this is probably a small burden for
> small annotation collections.  But it might be serious for data miners
> harvesting knowledge from large collections of annotations.
>
> Bob
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> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Paolo Ciccarese
> <paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> Hi Sebastian,
>> that observation has been made many times by people in the text mining
>> community.
>> It really seems expensive to calculate the 'end' through the range given the
>> high number of annotations that can be machine generated.
>>
>> I think I am in favor of that change at this point.
>>
>> Maybe we can introduce a new selector with begin/end so that who has already
>> implemented begin and offset will be still ok?
>>
>> Best,
>> Paolo
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 3:38 AM, Sebastian Hellmann
>> <hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> the meeting was really interesting and I learned a lot. For NIF 2.0, I
>>> will draft such a document specifying a mapping, between the two models.  I
>>> think the most difficult part here are the mappings between the selectors.
>>>
>>> Here is an initial question:
>>> In http://www.openannotation.org/spec/extension/#SelectorOffset was there
>>> any strong reason to use oax:range instead of something like end index.
>>> When querying with SPARQL, you can:
>>>
>>> with range: order all selections by length, get all selection of a
>>> specific length, query if any annotation begin at a certain position
>>>
>>> with begin, end index: query if any annotation are within a certain
>>> region, query for overlaps and locality of annotations, i.e. is there an
>>> annotation in this paragraph?
>>>
>>>
>>> Addition/subtraction is quite an expensive aggregate. So what do you think
>>> is the more common use case. I would vote for begin and end index and
>>> querying overlaps and inclusion. Maybe, we can do it similar to Apache
>>> Stanbol, which also uses endIndex.
>>>
>>> Any opinions on this? Should I copy/paste and open an issue in the Wiki?
>>> Or could there be consensus right the first time?
>>>
>>> Sebastian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 15.09.2012 00:54, schrieb Randall Leeds:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Robert Sanderson<azaroth42@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to propose a joint work item to create a mapping document
>>>>> between NIF and OA, if you think that would be useful?
>>>>
>>>> I think it would be invaluable to people discovering OA and NIF to
>>>> have such a document.
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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