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Re: F2F Decision: Multiple Resources

From: Paolo Ciccarese <paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:21:08 -0400
Message-ID: <CAFPX2kCs2pn8a7ukENFy-TrNaZRFkgd3EkkY9ARfJKiYkY-NCA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Jacob Jett <jgjett@gmail.com>
Cc: public-openannotation@w3.org
Hi Jacob,
I've never thought about the use of oax:annotatedIn for targeting one of
the bodies.
However, that seems an interesting use case.

Is this what you mean?

_:x a oa:Annotation ;
  oa:hasBody <choice1> ;
  oa:hasTarget <ny-times-article> .

<choice1> a oa:Choice ;
  oa:default <comment-in-french> ;
  oa:item <comment-in-english> ;
  oa:item <comment-in-spanish> .

_:y a oa:Annotation ;
  oa:hasBody <body> ;
  oa:hasTarget <comment-in-french> ;
  oa:annotatedIn _:x .

After Chicago [1], the decision was to introduce a new predicate:
oax:annotatedIn from a
SpecificResource to any Resource (including a SpecificResource). The idea
was simply to identify
something the user was looking at when performing the annotation.

That is very easy to understand when I think of an HTML document embedding
other media.
The question is if we want to extend that definition to annotation of
annotation parts.

Would anybody see a problem is using the property oax:annotatedIn (or the
later proposed
oax:asIncludedIn) for the annotation of annotation parts use case?

Paolo



[1]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-openannotation/2012Oct/0003.html

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Jacob Jett <jgjett@gmail.com> wrote:

> ...but couldn't this already be done in the model by annotating the
> initial multi-body (oa:Choice) annotation? More specifically, couldn't we
> annotate one of the choices and use the context predicate "oax:annotatedIn"
> to capture the annotating an annotation bit?
>
> It seems like this might be very useful for your use case where, if we
> were to model the different distinct possibilities as one oa:Choice, you
> could then add an annotation targeting one of the objects of an oa:item
> predicate within that choice, e.g., 'this is our default choice and here is
> why', and use oax:annotatedIn to denote that this annotation noting a
> default choice and the reasoning why (i.e., the evidence), was made in the
> context of an oa:Choice.
>
> The modeling is complex but it seems like this would service the needs of
> your use case without adding additional properties to the specification.
> Does that seem sensible? Seems like there are some other ways to do this
> too, including adding additional properties.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jacob
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Bob Morris <morris.bob@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A typical use case for us would be a taxonomist's annotation of an
>> image, or of a morphological description,  of  an organism for which
>> the annotator is offering several different possible distinct species
>> as an identification, but with no ability to say which of those
>> species it may be.  In such cases, an "arbitrary" choice on the part
>> of the consumer is not going to be based on preference, but on some
>> kind of scientific evidence which possibly arises from related
>> resources, or even from part of an annotation dialogue.  A second
>> annotator, not the Target publisher,  who acquires the first
>> annotation might well launch an annotation of the form "In Annotation
>> X, I don't know what species the Target is, but I know it isn't
>> Alternative A, and here's my evidence for that."   This is also likely
>> to be a typical biomedical application where the resources are patient
>> examination data and the goal is a medical diagnosis. In fact,
>> taxonomists often refer to the descriptive data that distinguishes one
>> species from another as"diagnostic characters."
>>
>> (Remark: in science, all choices between hypotheses are based on
>> evidence, which is why I'm gathering use cases to make a case for
>> adding Evidence modeling to OA.  I'd even go so far as to suggest that
>> \all/ scholarship needs Evidence sooner or later to support its
>> assertions....)
>>
>> Bob Morris
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Robert Sanderson <azaroth42@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > The XOR or Choice is to select one and only one of the resources.  For
>> > example, if there are three translations of the same comment, a system
>> > should display only one of them as appropriate for the user's
>> > preferences (and potentially allow the user to se the other options).
>> > On the other hand, given an oa:Set of three comments, all three should
>> > be displayed.
>> >
>> > Hope that helps,
>> >
>> > Rob
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:44 AM, Leyla Jael García Castro
>> > <leylajael@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Hi Bob,
>> >>
>> >> Do you have a use case for the ao:XOR? Not so sure whether I
>> understand it.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> Leyla
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Bob Morris <morris.bob@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> With respect to the Multiple Resources model[1] that emerged in
>> Chicago
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. It would be nice if the Issues List reflected what Rob's initial
>> >>> proposal morphed into, and the discussion continued there. (Rob: I'll
>> have a
>> >>> try if you want...)
>> >>>
>> >>> 2. oa:Set and probably oa:List can profitably be applied to  a
>> collection
>> >>> of oa:Annotations.  The use case is actionable annotations that are
>> >>> delivered to remote agents,  and upon which collections of expected
>> actions
>> >>> must taken, possibly in a prescribed order.  This is particularly
>> needed
>> >>> when actionable annotations will generate response annotations (e.g.
>> "Agent
>> >>> Smart accepted all of your corrections in the oa:Set :mySet1 except
>> the
>> >>> oa:item :mySet1.item10.").  If a collection of actionable annotations
>> >>> travels in a disconnected fashion, the annotation publisher can not
>> easily
>> >>> (at all?) convey that a coordinated action is desired.  There may be
>> an
>> >>> argument for ao:XOR on collections of annotations also.  It's likely
>> that
>> >>> none of these collection types should be restricted to Target, Body,
>> and
>> >>> Specifiers, as is perhaps being suggested in [1]
>> >>>
>> >>> 3.  Probably oa:List objects cannot(?) survive being put in a triple
>> >>> store, since order of identified nodes is not defined in the graph.
>> [2] is a
>> >>> proposal to address the issue, but it is unclear how much traction it
>> has.
>> >>> This means that  processing order for oa:List will depend on the
>> >>> serialization, not on the RDF.  I vaguely recall this was raised in
>> Chicago,
>> >>> perhaps tabled for more discussion.
>> >>>
>> >>> [1]
>> >>>
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-openannotation/2012Oct/0004.html#start4
>> >>> [2] http://www.w3.org/2009/12/rdf-ws/papers/ws14
>> >>>
>> >>> Bob Morris
>> >>>
>> >>> --
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>> >>>
>> >>> Emeritus Professor  of Computer Science
>> >>> UMASS-Boston
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>> >>> Boston, MA 02125-3390
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>> >>> University.
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Robert A. Morris
>>
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>> Harvard University.
>>
>>
>


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Dr. Paolo Ciccarese
http://www.paolociccarese.info/
Biomedical Informatics Research & Development
Instructor of Neurology at Harvard Medical School
Assistant in Neuroscience at Mass General Hospital
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