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Re: F2F Decision: Sub-classing

From: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 18:18:03 +0100
Message-ID: <5094004B.7000407@few.vu.nl>
To: Robert Sanderson <azaroth42@gmail.com>
CC: public-openannotation <public-openannotation@w3.org>
Hi Rob,


> The mapping I provided was informational for the group, the spec would not list the mapping, just the new Motivations.
>  The mapping could go into a document on the web site, but I'm even not sure that's essential at this stage in the process.
>

Sorry I did not understand that the new Motivations would replace the old ones. I'm of course ok with what you advocate, including on not documenting further the mapping once it has been implemented in the spec.

I guess I also agree on the rest. I'm willing to help with SKOS modeling and examples as soon as I come back from holidays (3rd week Nov).

Antoine

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> Something to keep in mind for this discussion:
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> The aim of the work is to create interoperability between systems and communities. If a feature is system or community specific, then it probably doesn't belong in OA or OAX. If a feature doesn't provide any useful or usable information to a majority of systems, then it should be very carefully considered before being included.
>
>
> I believe that Motivations are important for interoperability. A system could treat a Commenting on an annotation and Answering an annotation differently ("this is a great question" versus "here is the answer to your question"). Tagging is important to understand as different from a short Describing or Classifying annotation. The current list is very broad; so much so that we already have Citing, Referencing, Updating, Deleting, as additional more specific motivations. To me that says we have the correct location (OAX) and the correct level of definition (communities represented here are engaging with it to provide more specific semantics).
> As a sanity check, we could go through the list and determine first if all of the current Motivations provide useful information to a consuming system over just 'Annotating' and then if there are further ones that should be added, using the same criteria.
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> I don't mind Leyla's hybrid, or simply make oa:Motivation a subClass of skos:Concept.
>
> However I strongly feel that if we don't provide at least a basic list and guidance for how to create further more specific Motivations, then people will simply subclass oa:Annotation, which is exactly what we don't want, as this is the way that practically all previous annotation systems have worked in the past. Sub-classing is more intuitive and familiar, and we're breaking away from that established pattern.
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> The mapping I provided was informational for the group, the spec would not list the mapping, just the new Motivations. The mapping could go into a document on the web site, but I'm even not sure that's essential at this stage in the process.
>
>
> Regarding Expectation, I feel that it doesn't pass the first test. The two examples provided so far are specific to individual systems; the one that controls the content to be updated, and the first system to create the annotation. It doesn't create interoperability between communities and isn't useful to the majority of consuming systems. Arguably it creates interop between the client and server, but it seems more appropriate as a bilateral or community specific extension to the base model.
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> Rob
>
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> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 3:57 AM, Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl <mailto:aisaac@few.vu.nl>> wrote:
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>     Hi Rob, all
>
>     I support the first two points points below.
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>     But I of course agree with Jacob's reminding that we had discussed that SKOS could be used as an ontology to describe the resources used with oa:motivatedBy.
>     I know I may be biased on this. But I still think it could be a useful piece of guidance for readers.
>
>     For info here's how a couple of motivations could look like in SKOS (based on a subset of your list in [1])
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>     ex:Comment a skos:Concept ;
>     skos:prefLabel "Comment"@en ;
>     skos:prefLabel "Commentaire"@fr ;
>     skos:broader ex:Information .
>
>     ex:Information a skos:Concept ;
>     skos:prefLabel "Information"@en ;
>     skos:prefLabel "Information"@fr ;
>     skos:scopeNote "This motivation denotes informing motivations such as commenting, classifying, linking or tagging"@en .
>
>
>     Note that I've use Edition not Editing. I don't see the point in mapping anything here. Just deprecate the existing classes, if you're still at the draft spec stage! Keeping the old classes visible and providing a mapping will just clutter the landscape considerably. (Worst case, if you want to keep them, you could just update their typing and not add extra resources)
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>     I'm also using a fake ex: prefix and not oax: . I strongly agree that we should *not* have motivations even in OAX, whether as classes or instances (of SKOS concept or anything else).
>     Trying to capture all types out there is a real can of worms. You don't want to have this standing in the path of more basic stuff. I mean, knowing/representing motivations is important, it's just that I don't think trying to fit a reference list in the spec makes sense right now, if ever.
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>     If you want, you may introduce a top-level motivation, e.g., oax:Motivation. Specific communities could use it as an anchor for attaching their specializations.
>     But the risk then is that you make the guidance stronger on how to represent motivations. Giving users a starting point already committed to some representation approach (e.g., SKOS) sends the message that the same approach should be used across the board.
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>     Cheers,
>
>     Antoine
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>     [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/__Public/public-openannotation/__2012Oct/0045.html <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-openannotation/2012Oct/0045.html>
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>         The current document says that subclasses of oa:Annotation express the
>         "reasons why the annotation was created". It was expressed that this
>         is not actually possible, as we are introducing additional semantics
>         to the meaning of rdf:type.
>
>         The consensus was as follows:
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>         - Every annotation MUST have an explicit class of oa:Annotation,
>         regardless of any other classes
>         This is in order to make sure that the annotations are recognized as
>         oa:Annotations to ensure interoperability.
>
>         - SubClasses of oa:Annotation should be introduced primarily to
>         further restrict the data model, and may be introduced by any one.
>         For example a xxx:Highlight subClass might restrict the model that
>         there should be exactly one target and no body.
>
>         - Existing subclasses will be mapped to a new type of resource, an
>         oa:Motivation, and referenced by a new predicate from the Annotation:
>         oa:motivatedBy
>         For example, instead of an oax:Hightlight, one would have:
>
>         _:x a oa:Annotation ;
>         oa:motivatedBy oax:Highlighting ;
>         oa:hasBody<body1> ;
>         oa:hasTarget<target1> .
>
>         (Mapping to be provided)
>
>         - We will not introduce oa:Expectation (the producers expectation of
>         what a consumer of the annotation will do), as all of the examples
>         were specific to individual network transactions.
>         Two examples were discussed:
>         * A change request, where the expectation is that the consumer will
>         act upon it. This is only a valid expectation for transactions
>         between a client and an agent capable of performing the change. As
>         such it does not belong in an interoperability specification, but can
>         be added in by systems capable of accepting/creating the change.
>         * The expectation that the server will generate an alert based on the
>         social network of the annotator. This is only desirable for the
>         initial creation of the annotation, not any subsequent harvesting and
>         reuse. So this also is only a valid expectation of the initial
>         transaction between a client and server, rather than a persistent
>         property of the annotation.
>
>
>         Thanks,
>
>         Rob& Paolo
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