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Re: text language. Was Re: Textual Note example

From: Robert Sanderson <azaroth42@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 10:31:26 -0600
Message-ID: <CABevsUGSWFcYUfgBLG6BHJAYgsVB7MOhLt25J4De7Rm0LnXhXA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Bob Morris <morris.bob@gmail.com>
Cc: Paolo Ciccarese <paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com>, Leyla Jael García Castro <leylajael@gmail.com>, public-openannotation <public-openannotation@w3.org>
My take would be that you can do either:

_:Body cnt:chars "Some text"@en .

which is more compact and may not translate into all serializations (?) or:

_:Body cnt:chars "Some text" ;
    dc:language "en" .

which is more verbose and doesn't use the typical @lang tag, but is easier
to query and definitely translates to all serializations.

Rob


On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Bob Morris <morris.bob@gmail.com> wrote:

> My reading of http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-concepts/#section-Literals is
> that specifying language on Literals is markup, and that the Literal
> must be of type rdf:XMLLiteral.
>
> What's the  current N3 practice for assigning a language code to a
> string literal?  I ask because my reading of
> http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/grammar/n3-rdf.n3  especially the
> introductory comments, is that typing and language specification on
> Literals is an open issue in n3-rdf. That's consistent with the fact
> that the token 'langcode' is defined but nowhere referenced.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Paolo Ciccarese
> <paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Bob and Layla,
> > here are two examples one using CompositeAnnotation - *brainstorming* -
> and
> > the other multiple bodies * currently not allowed *.
> >
> > The first is more inline with what we have now in the draft but it
> requires
> > more triples. The second is more compact but is making use of multiple
> > bodies which are not currently permitted.
> >
> > I haven't picked a mechanism for specifying the language yet. I am open
> to
> > any of the  solutions listed by Layla.
> >
> > Anybody else in the group has some thoughts on this topic or  needs to
> deal
> > with translations?
> >
> > Paolo
> >
> > ps: I apologize for the big warnings on the figures.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Paolo Ciccarese <
> paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> The CompositeAnnotation is basically supposed to be a
> >> subClass of rdf:Bag or ore:Aggregation
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Bob Morris <morris.bob@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Leyla Jael García Castro
> >>> <leylajael@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > Hi Bob,
> >>> >
> >>> > The range for cnt:chars is a Literal so you can use a language tag to
> >>> > specify the language used in that particular text. Another
> possibility
> >>> > would
> >>> > be dct:language property.
> >>> >
> >>> > As for expressing in different languages the same annotation, I guess
> >>> > there
> >>> > are different approaches. The same body, for instance, could be
> applied
> >>> > to
> >>> > multiple targets representing the same content in different
> languages;
> >>> > another scenario as you mentioned is having the same textual body in
> >>> > different languages, all of them applied to the same target.
> >>> >
> >>> > For the second scenario, having different bodies is not possible in
> OA,
> >>> > but
> >>> > maybe having a List or Sequence as body would work? Each member of
> the
> >>> > list
> >>> > would be then a cnt:ContextAsText with its own language and
> >>> > corresponding
> >>> > text.
> >>> >
> >>> > any thoughts?
> >>> In our pending manuscript, we sort of favor the container solution  as
> >>> the simplest multiplicity disambiguation.  Maybe for this rdf:Bag
> >>> would be more appropriate even though, I believe, there is no formal
> >>> difference from the ordered containers.   This might be more
> >>> lightweight than the CompositeAnnotation Paolo suggests in parallel
> >>> email. I don't know if that is good or bad.
> >>> >
> >>> > Leyla
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 4:22 AM, Bob Morris <morris.bob@gmail.com>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Paolo-
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/wiki/Annotating_a_Webpage_with_a_Textual_Note
> >>> >>
> >>> >> With the oa:Body typed as cnt:ContentAsText, is there a way to
> specify
> >>> >> the language of the cnt:chars?  It doesn't seem that there is a way
> in
> >>> >> cnt.  I wonder why? One might have to annotate with ContentAsXML to
> >>> >> express the language, which is overkill.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> A related use case is the expression of an Annotation in several
> >>> >> different languages. If forced to make them as separate Annotations,
> >>> >> it would be tricky to express that they are meant all to express the
> >>> >> same Textual Note.  Maybe this means that the cnt:ContentAsText
> should
> >>> >> not be the type of the oa:Body, but rather of something that can
> hang
> >>> >> on the Body without any cardinality restrictions.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Bob
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
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