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Re: Textual Note example

From: Paolo Ciccarese <paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 08:52:46 -0400
Message-ID: <CAFPX2kAQuteA_UVY5q8b-iiVwhAe1AebJH5KUR4PMWvRqPAoeA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Leyla Jael García Castro <leylajael@gmail.com>
Cc: Bob Morris <morris.bob@gmail.com>, public-openannotation <public-openannotation@w3.org>
I just realized that my previous message did not go through probably for
the attachments.
These are the links to the two figures
http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/wiki/images/1/10/Possible_representation_of_Comment_in_Multiple_languages_opt1_by_Paolo_Ciccarese.png
http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/wiki/images/0/01/Possible_representation_of_Comment_in_Multiple_languages_opt2_by_Paolo_Ciccarese.png

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Leyla Jael García Castro <
leylajael@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Paolo,
>
> What about a third possibility having the only one body modelled as
> rdf:Bag? That one would work fine with the current cardinality restriction
> on Body and it would also tied the bodies together.
>

I think you are talking about what we call 'structured body' or 'structured
resource'
http://www.openannotation.org/spec/extension/#StructuredBody


>
> I like the Composite approach for annotations meant to be together by
> maybe done by different users at different times. For multiple related
> annotations, translations for instance, done by the same user at the same
> time, I prefer to use rdf:Bag in the Body. The tricky thing is that we
> could end up having a Composite for translations done by different users
> and rdf:Bag in the Body for translations done by the same user as a single
> annotation... would that make sense?
>

We thought about the CompositeAnnotation for aggregating annotations that
has been produced together - in the same context and about same time. For
aggregating annotation produced at different times I would simply suggest
the creation of an annotation set by ore:Aggregation



>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Paolo Ciccarese <
> paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bob and Layla,
>> here are two examples one using CompositeAnnotation - *brainstorming* -
>> and the other multiple bodies * currently not allowed *.
>>
>> The first is more inline with what we have now in the draft but it
>> requires more triples. The second is more compact but is making use of
>> multiple bodies which are not currently permitted.
>>
>> I haven't picked a mechanism for specifying the language yet. I am open
>> to any of the  solutions listed by Layla.
>>
>> Anybody else in the group has some thoughts on this topic or  needs to
>> deal with translations?
>>
>> Paolo
>>
>> ps: I apologize for the big warnings on the figures.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Paolo Ciccarese <
>> paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The CompositeAnnotation is basically supposed to be a
>>> subClass of rdf:Bag or ore:Aggregation
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Bob Morris <morris.bob@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Leyla Jael García Castro
>>>> <leylajael@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Hi Bob,
>>>> >
>>>> > The range for cnt:chars is a Literal so you can use a language tag to
>>>> > specify the language used in that particular text. Another
>>>> possibility would
>>>> > be dct:language property.
>>>> >
>>>> > As for expressing in different languages the same annotation, I guess
>>>> there
>>>> > are different approaches. The same body, for instance, could be
>>>> applied to
>>>> > multiple targets representing the same content in different languages;
>>>> > another scenario as you mentioned is having the same textual body in
>>>> > different languages, all of them applied to the same target.
>>>> >
>>>> > For the second scenario, having different bodies is not possible in
>>>> OA, but
>>>> > maybe having a List or Sequence as body would work? Each member of
>>>> the list
>>>> > would be then a cnt:ContextAsText with its own language and
>>>> corresponding
>>>> > text.
>>>> >
>>>> > any thoughts?
>>>> In our pending manuscript, we sort of favor the container solution  as
>>>> the simplest multiplicity disambiguation.  Maybe for this rdf:Bag
>>>> would be more appropriate even though, I believe, there is no formal
>>>> difference from the ordered containers.   This might be more
>>>> lightweight than the CompositeAnnotation Paolo suggests in parallel
>>>> email. I don't know if that is good or bad.
>>>> >
>>>> > Leyla
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 4:22 AM, Bob Morris <morris.bob@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Paolo-
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/wiki/Annotating_a_Webpage_with_a_Textual_Note
>>>> >>
>>>> >> With the oa:Body typed as cnt:ContentAsText, is there a way to
>>>> specify
>>>> >> the language of the cnt:chars?  It doesn't seem that there is a way
>>>> in
>>>> >> cnt.  I wonder why? One might have to annotate with ContentAsXML to
>>>> >> express the language, which is overkill.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> A related use case is the expression of an Annotation in several
>>>> >> different languages. If forced to make them as separate Annotations,
>>>> >> it would be tricky to express that they are meant all to express the
>>>> >> same Textual Note.  Maybe this means that the cnt:ContentAsText
>>>> should
>>>> >> not be the type of the oa:Body, but rather of something that can hang
>>>> >> on the Body without any cardinality restrictions.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Bob
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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>>>> >>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> UMASS-Boston
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Biomedical Informatics Research & Development
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>>
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>> Biomedical Informatics Research & Development
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Assistant in Neuroscience at Mass General Hospital
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