Re: citations etc

Dear Philipp, all,

I copied the minutes of the last telco in the wiki  (
https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Teleconference,_2018.05.28,_13-14_pm_CEST
).

Also, I started collecting the proposed definitions for "attestation" at
https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Lexicography#June_2018 (feel free
to add/modify anything)

Best,
Jorge

El lun., 11 jun. 2018 a las 9:49, Philipp Cimiano (<
cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>) escribió:

> Dear all,
>
>   the next telco is today at 13:00 CET. I mentioned that I am travelling
> and that I can not attend.
>
> The first today would be to agree IMHO on a common understanding of the
> concept of attestation. I proposed the following definition:
>
> Attestation: An attestation is a reference to a source that proves that
> the lexical entry has a certain linguistic property (e.g. a sense).
>
> Once you have agreed on a common definition, it might be worth going in
> detail through the examples provided by Fahad.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Philipp.
>
> Am 11.06.18 um 09:34 schrieb Jorge Gracia:
>
> Hi Philipp, all,
>
> When is the next telco taking place? today? next week?
>
> Thanks!
> Jorge
>
>
> El lun., 4 jun. 2018 a las 15:26, Julia Bosque Gil (<jbosque@fi.upm.es>)
> escribió:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I am available next Monday (11th) and the following week (18th).
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Julia
>>
>> El lun., 4 jun. 2018 a las 12:42, Katrien Depuydt (<
>> Katrien.Depuydt@ivdnt.org>) escribió:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am available next Monday, but the week after that as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Katrien
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>>> *Van:* Ilan Kernerman [mailto:ilan@kdictionaries.com]
>>> *Verzonden:* maandag 4 juni 2018 12:40
>>> *Aan:* Philipp Cimiano; public-ontolex@w3.org
>>> *Onderwerp:* RE: citations etc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will not be available next week. My apologies.
>>>
>>> Ilan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Philipp Cimiano [mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>>> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>]
>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 04, 2018 1:32 PM
>>> *To:* public-ontolex@w3.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: citations etc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Fahad,
>>>
>>> if this is the case, then I propose we skip the teleconference today.
>>>
>>> It would be good to have you available to discuss your paper and the
>>> definitions of attestation.
>>>
>>> I propose then we postpone to next week. I will not be available, but I
>>> think it is more important that other players are available (Fahad, Ilan,
>>> Katrien, etc.)
>>>
>>> Will John or Julia be available for chairing next week?
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Philipp.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 04.06.18 um 12:23 schrieb Fahad Khan:
>>>
>>> Hi Philipp,
>>>
>>> I'm afraid I won't be able to attend today.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Fahad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4 June 2018 at 12:16, Philipp Cimiano <
>>> cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>  thanks for this Ilan.
>>>
>>> @All. I had planned a telco for today as I will not be available for the
>>> next two weeks.
>>>
>>> And here is my proposed definition for an attestation:
>>>
>>> Attestation: An attestation is a reference to a source that proves that
>>> the lexical entry has a certain linguistic property (e.g. a sense).
>>>
>>> I propose we talk at 13:00 today to touch base and see how we continue
>>> our discussion on attestation.
>>>
>>> Talk to you later,
>>>
>>> Philipp.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 02.06.18 um 12:46 schrieb Ilan Kernerman:
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> Following our last call, here are some suggestions:
>>>
>>> ·         A *citation* consists of a quote from a corpus (text); it may
>>> either (i) include a reference to its origin (*bibl*), or (ii) not.
>>>
>>> o   An *attestation* is the reference to a source (*bibl*) without its
>>> actual *citation*.
>>>
>>> § (in other words, *bibl* and *attestation* might be similar, but the
>>> latter is not preceded by a *citation*)
>>>
>>> ·         An *example of usage* (or *usage example*) is human-crafted,
>>> whether (i) corpus-inspired/derived, or (ii) not.
>>>
>>> o   The *example* can consist of either a full sentence or a short
>>> phrase (and could also be a *citation*)
>>>
>>> § (there are different types of examples – mainly of general patterns,
>>> for reception/decoding purposes, active for production/encoding – but that
>>> is probably beyond the scope here)
>>>
>>> This might seem like over-simplifying or distorting matters, but I hope
>>> it is useful for more accurate mapping/tagging.
>>>
>>> I think this does not contradict the concerns raised in Fahad’s article
>>> J:
>>>
>>> “Lemon, unlike TEI-DICT, however focuses on capturing the conceptual
>>> content of a lexicon, that is, it takes a primarily lexical view of lexical
>>> resources… Hence there is no conflict here between the demands of fidelity
>>> to the text in its lexical view and the text in its editorial and
>>> typographical view as there is in TEI; lemon simply prioritises the former.
>>> ”
>>>
>>> “…a proper encoding of citations attesting to lexical properties must
>>> take into consideration at least two different kinds of conceptual entity:
>>> citations and attestations”
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Ilan
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
>
> --
> Jorge Gracia, PhD
> Department of Computer Science and Systems Engineering
> University of Zaragoza
> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/
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> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
> AG Semantic Computing
> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
> Universität Bielefeld
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