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[minutes] Tuesday June 3 teleconf

From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux <dom@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:01:08 +0200
To: public-mwts <public-mwts@w3.org>
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Hi,

The minutes of our call today are available at:
http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html
linked from:
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/

and copied as text below.

Dom

[1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf

03 Jun 2008

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Jun/0000.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Carmelo, Dom, Wilhelm, KaiHendry

   Regrets
          Dmitri

   Chair
          Dom

   Scribe
          dom

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Web Compatibility Test for Mobile Browsers
         2. [6]Charter extension
     * [7]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________

Web Compatibility Test for Mobile Browsers

General feedback

   <dom_scribe> [8]Gallery of screenshots of mobile browsers rendering
   the test

      [8] http://www.w3.org/2008/04/wctmb/

   Dom: pretty good feedback from various people, quite a good outreach

   Wilhelm: reading blogs, most people seemed interested to know which
   browsers passed or not

   <dom_scribe> [9]First results of Web Compatibility Test

      [9] http://www.w3.org/blog/MWITeam/2008/04/22/first_results_of_web_compatibility_test

HTTPS test

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to check if W3C has a server to host the
   https:// test [CLOSED] [recorded in
   [10]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action01]

   Dom: W3C doesn't have an appropriate HTTPs server
   ... suggest we keep it as is for now, given that it probably doesn't
   affect so many people

WURFL

   <dom_scribe> [11]Leveraging WURFL with WCTMB

     [11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Apr/0040.html

   <scribe> ACTION: Carmelo to took at the WURFL XML file [DROPPED]
   [recorded in
   [12]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action02]

   Dom: don't think we can interface the WCTMB with WURLF, given that
   the data are not collected in a machine readable format
   ... maybe we could do that with the test harness, though
   ... will reply to the commenter

contenteditable

   ´╗┐ACTION: Wilhelm to check the test for "contenteditable attribute"
   [CLOSED]

   <dom_scribe> [13]Fixing contenteditable attribute

     [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008May/0014.html

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to check on the report of contenteditable
   bug [recorded in
   [14]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action03]

serving the test through PHP

   Dom: we can use PHP on the main W3C server (www.w3.org), but then we
   would lose the advantage of the public CVS repository; I'll look to
   see if I can find a way to have the test served from www.w3.org
   directly from the repository, with the user agent string
   automatically added.

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to get the test served through PHP with user
   agent appearing [PENDING] [recorded in
   [15]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action04]

   <hendry> sidenote: what is the cvs checkout url for the test? was
   looking for it earlier and couldn't find it. cvsweb would be good
   too.

   [16]CVSWeb view of WCTMB

     [16] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2008/mobile-test/

Improving test documentation

   Wilhelm: given that we only test superficially most technologies,
   the idea was to link to further testing from the documentation; I've
   provided an example of what I had in mind for the first two tests.

   Dom: looks good to me

   Wilhelm: I'll complete the list, then.

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to look at a mapping scheme from test to
   specs and test suites. [PENDING] [recorded in
   [17]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action05]

@media handheld

   [18]Kai's question on @media handheld

     [18] http://www.w3.org/mid/b24851260805210227p6ea4ff6cxc4f11e182527b46e@mail.gmail.com

   Kai: I discussed it with Wilhelm last week - I now agree with
   Wilhelm

   Wilhelm: various browsers have moved away to rely on @media
   handheld; webkit doesn't, opera doesn't by default; so, our
   stylesheet is associated with the media handheld, but we don't test
   that browsers specifically apply the @media handheld

   Dom: I think it's a bit of a pity that browsers have gone away from
   supporting this, but I think it's probably OK we don't push for it
   given that we test for css media queries

   Kai: the CSS test that we have about min-width, is it how people
   detect fullscreen nowadays?

   Dom: that's CSS Media Queries - that's what e.g. the IPhone uses to
   have iphone-specific stylesheets

Testing for inputmode

   <dom_scribe> [19]a possible test for inputmode

     [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Jun/0005.html

   Wilhelm: I'm all for it, but I'm a bit worried that Opera would be
   shown as passing it, while it doesn't really implement it

   Dom: we could put a caveat in the documentation about how
   superficial the test is

   Wilhelm: I vote for including

   Kai: I'd like to test it for a week or so

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to implement the inputmode test and send for
   review [recorded in
   [20]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action06]

Harder SVG test

   <dom_scribe> [21]slightly more difficult svg tests

     [21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Apr/0035.html

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to look into the harder SVG test [recorded in
   [22]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action07]

Color scheme unreadable for color-blind

   Kai: I was hoping to work around the problem through the use of
   unicode characters
   ... but there are probably much more unicode-blind people than
   color-blind :)

   dom: we could offer a separate version - e.g. in black and white
   ... by providing a separate style sheet

   Kai: it's not only the style sheet - there are the images too

   dom: we could have the images automatically generated

   wilhelm: we have the same problem internally
   ... a separate version sounds good

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to look into setting up an alternative version
   of the tests with a different color scheme [recorded in
   [23]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action08]

Additional tests

   Wilhem: If we include the inputmode test, we'll need 3 more tests to
   get a good looking grid

   Kai: I'm thinking of helping advertising the test

   <dom_scribe> [24]Blog post on WCTMB

     [24] http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/04/is_your_mobile_browser_ready_f.html

   Kai: will try to get it covered by a couple of news sites

   Wilhelm: could we ask for feedback on the blog?

   Kai: has anyone contacted Ian Hickson?

   Wilhelm: I did, but didn't get any concrete suggestions

   Dom: I'll ask for additional suggests in a blog post. Not too
   hopeful about getting concrete suggestions, but it doesn't hurt
   anyway.

Charter extension

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to request charter extension for 6 more months
   [recorded in
   [25]http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [PENDING]

     [25] http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-mwts-minutes.html#action07

   Dom: I requested the extension, and I expect it'll be announced any
   day now.

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Dom to implement the inputmode test and send for
   review [recorded in
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action06]
   [NEW] ACTION: Dom to look into setting up an alternative version of
   the tests with a different color scheme [recorded in
   [27]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action08]
   [NEW] ACTION: Dom to look into the harder SVG test [recorded in
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [NEW] ACTION: Wilhelm to check on the report of contenteditable bug
   [recorded in
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action03]

   [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to get the test served through PHP with user
   agent appearing [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to request charter extension for 6 more months
   [recorded in
   [31]http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Wilhelm to ´╗┐look at a mapping scheme from test to
   specs and test suites. [recorded in
   [32]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action05]

     [31] http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-mwts-minutes.html#action07

   [DONE] ACTION: Dom to check if W3C has a server to host the https://
   test [recorded in
   [33]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action01]

   [DROPPED] ACTION: Carmelo to took at the WURFL XML file [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action02]

   [End of minutes]
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