[minutes] Tue March 6 teleconf

Hi,

The minutes of our call today are available at:
http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html
linked from:
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/

and copied as text below.

Dom

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                  Mobile Web Test Suites WG Teleconf

6 Mar 2007

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Mar/0000.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Carmelo, dom, dsilaev, Till, Allen

   Regrets
          David, Rooks, Andrea

   Chair
          Dom

   Scribe
          carmelo

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Mobile Web Test Suites survey and re-packaging
         2. [6]Open testing framework for the Mobile Web
         3. [7]Next teleconf
     * [8]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________

Mobile Web Test Suites survey and re-packaging

Test framework

   <dom> [9]Carmelo's test suite framework

      [9] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/att-0029/mwi-test-framework.html

   Carmelo: conceived a few years ago, modified along time

   ... used with XSLT, XML Query

   ... modified a bit more to use in our effort

   ... not complete, looking for feedback

   ... Basically, it defines an XML file that describe a collection of
   test suites

   ... each "test-collections" element describes a test suite

   ... in our case, a test-collection element could point to the CSS MP
   test suite

   ... each test-collection can have one or many "test-group"(s), with
   a URL, a title and a description

   ... within each test group, one or more test-case that uniquely
   identifies a test case, with a name, a scenario (e.g. negative test,
   error triggering test, comparison test, visual test)

   ... a description, a spec-citation refering back to the spec

   ... possibly input/output files depending on the test

   ... (cf the example at the end of the document)

   ... Looking for feedback

   ... This would allow us to track a comprehensive list of tests

   ... There is a schema associated with that format that allows
   validation

   ... and there is an XSLT to render it in HTML

   <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to send his multi-test suite cataloguing
   system to the mailing list [recorded in
   [10]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [DONE]

     [10] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06

   <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to send a pointer to how his framework is used
   in XML Query test suite [recorded in
   [11]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02]

   Dmitri: is this XML format extensible to contain link to results
   coming out of test execution?

   Carmelo: the XML file would link to test output files

   Dmitri: we may need more extensibility to record more data (e.g. on
   which devices it applies)

   ... but looks good for now

   <dom> ACTION: Allen to explore the possibility to have a wrapper for
   the test suites [recorded in
   [12]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
   [ONGOING]

     [12] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09

   Allen proposed and described a possible schema to navigate the test
   suite

   based on Tests ID's

   <dom> ACTION: Dom to work on prototype of test navigation/results
   recording based on Allen's proposal [recorded in
   [13]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04]

   <dom> ACTION: Dom to try and get in touch with user agent developers
   (OpenWave and Nokia) [recorded in
   [14]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action05]

DOM Test Suite

   <dom> ACTION: Dom to run DOM test suites on his phones [recorded in
   [15]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02] [DONE]

     [15] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02

   Dom had very little success with DOM

   <dom> [16]Getting the DOM Test suite to work on mobile devices

     [16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Mar/0001.html

   <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to look into transforming the XML into
   javascript files for making them easier to run on mobile devices
   [recorded in
   [17]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07]

   Carmelo explained a bit how the DOM test suite is organized (interms
   of XML instances)

   <dom> ACTION: Till to get feedback from his Opera colleagues on
   making the Javascript more usable on mobile devices [recorded in
   [18]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08]

CSS Test Suite

   <dom> ACTION: till to review the WCSS test suite [recorded in
   [19]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action01] [DONE]

     [19] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action01

   <dom> [20]WCSS test suite survey from Till

     [20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Mar/0002.html

   <Zakim> dom, you wanted to ask for a comparison with the CSS Mobile
   Profile test suite

   Till - Explained analysis of CSS Test Suite. He ran on his phone

   and found it very well structeure and well put together.

   High quality test suite.

   Till: WCSS test suite quite better than CSS Mobile Profile test
   suite; coverage is 98% (vs ~80% for CSS MP) and of high quality

   ... relies less on font tricks or colors

   ... I think we should focus on the WCSS test suite - political
   matters aside

   <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to take a closer look at CSS for coverage
   [recorded in
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [ONGOING]

     [21] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07

   Carmelo: will send notes I took on this

   <dom> ACTION: Dom to get in touch with the CSS WG on cooperating on
   the test suite [recorded in
   [22]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [DONE]

     [22] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action07

   <dom> [23]Cooperating on improving the CSS MP Test Suite?

     [23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-mwts/2007Mar/0000.html

   dom: how should we proceed, given Till's analysis?

   Till: I think we're interested in both

   ... I don't think we should forget CSS MP, but maybe not put too
   much effort in it

   Dom: more to the point, would you be willing to put some of your
   time in improving this test suite?

   Till: would be willing to, but it's not clear this is the way to go

   ... maybe we should survey the group on what is the proper way to go

   Dom: maybe bind that to the feedback we get from other ua dev?

   <dom> ACTION: Dom to ask for feedback on the mailing list about WCSS
   vs CSS MP Test Suite? [recorded in
   [24]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action12]

Open testing framework for the Mobile Web

   <dom> ACTION: Dom to get feedback on the open test suite on
   authoring practices from content developers [recorded in
   [25]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08] [DONE]

     [25] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08

   <dom> [26]Announcement of survey

     [26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/0032.html

   <dom> [27]On-going results of the survey

     [27] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/mwits/results?view=compact

   Dom: Please help advertize the survey as widely as possible; it will
   stay open until March 16

Next teleconf

   Dom: beware of change of time for Europeans (one hour earlier)

   ... Also, I'll likely be away on March 20.

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Carmelo to look into transforming the XML into
   javascript files for making them easier to run on mobile devices
   [recorded in
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [NEW] ACTION: Carmelo to send a pointer to how his framework is used
   in XML Query test suite [recorded in
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: Dom to ask for feedback on the mailing list about WCSS
   vs CSS MP Test Suite? [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action12]
   [NEW] ACTION: Dom to try and get in touch with user agent developers
   (OpenWave and Nokia) [recorded in
   [31]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
   [NEW] ACTION: Dom to work on prototype of test navigation/results
   recording based on Allen's proposal [recorded in
   [32]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
   [NEW] ACTION: Till to get feedback from his Opera colleagues on
   making the Javascript more usable on mobile devices [recorded in
   [33]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08]

   [PENDING] ACTION: Allen to explore the possibility to have a wrapper
   for the test suites [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Carmelo to take a closer look at CSS for coverage
   [recorded in
   [35]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07]

   [DONE] ACTION: Carmelo to send his multi-test suite cataloguing
   system to the mailing list [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06]
   [DONE] ACTION: Dom to get feedback on the open test suite on
   authoring practices from content developers [recorded in
   [37]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08]
   [DONE] ACTION: Dom to get in touch with the CSS WG on cooperating on
   the test suite [recorded in
   [38]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [DONE] ACTION: Dom to run DOM test suites on his phones [recorded in
   [39]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
   [DONE] ACTION: till to review the WCSS test suite [recorded in
   [40]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action01]

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