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From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux <dom@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:15:08 +0100
To: public-mwts@w3.org
Message-Id: <1172596508.4060.17.camel@cumulustier>

Hi,

The minutes of our teleconf today are available at:
http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html
linked from 
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/#news

and copied as text below. Thanks Till for scribing!

Dom

MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf

27 Feb 2007

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/0024.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-irc

Attendees

   Present
          dom, Till, dmitri, Allen

   Regrets
          Andrea

   Chair
          Dom

   Scribe
          till

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Mobile Web Test Suites survey and re-packaging
         2. [6]Open framework for test suites on Authoring practices
         3. [7]Roadmap of deliverables
         4. [8]Progress on scheduling next F2F
         5. [9]Teleconf schedule change notice
     * [10]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________



   <dom> [11]Minutes of Feb 6th teleconf

     [11] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html

   no additional agenda items

Mobile Web Test Suites survey and re-packaging

   dom: recent release of xhtml mp testsuite
   ... good news, 200+ tests, nice starting point
   ... licensing still to be figured out
   ... volunteering for xhtml mp ts

   <dom> ACTION: till to review the WCSS test suite [recorded in
   [12]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action01]

   <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to send his multi-test suite cataloguing
   system to the mailing list [recorded in
   [13]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06]

     [13] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06

   <dom> [14]Carmelo's testing framework

     [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/att-0029/mwi-test-framework.html

   <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to run the DOM and CSS test suites on his
   phone [recorded in
   [15]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action03]

     [15] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action03

   <dom> ACTION: Dom to run DOM and CSS test suites on his phones
   [recorded in
   [16]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02]

     [16] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02

   <dom> ACTION: Till to run the CSS Test suite on his phone [recorded
   in [17]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04]

     [17] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04

   <dom> ACTION: Till to run the CSS Test suite on his phone [recorded
   in [18]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
   [DONE]

     [18] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04

   dom: analysis of css test suite reveals some problems, use of big
   table

   till: my analysis found that the quality of the tests isn't too bad
   - 60 or 70 /100 as a mark

   <dom> ... we would have issues with fonts or color effects, e.g.
   some tests rely on having different fonts faces or sizes that are
   not always available

   <dom> ... the float tests rely on wide screens, making some tests
   invalid on small screens

   <dom> ... beside the big table, on some cases, there are means to
   navigate from one test to the other, which is nice

   <dom> ... the links to spec is sometimes given, but not always

   <dom> ... also, some tests involve invalid styles (invalid markup
   too?)

   <dom> ... what is needed: make the tests consistent altogether, some
   review and corrections

   <dom> ... and address coverage

   <dom> ... We can send a request to the CSS WG to see if they are
   interested in reviews

   <dom> ... and ask for cooperation

   <dom> ACTION: Dom to get in touch with the CSS WG on cooperating on
   the test suite [recorded in
   [19]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action07]

   dom: who would be interested in reviewing test cases?

   <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to take a closer look at CSS for coverage
   [recorded in
   [20]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07]

     [20] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07

   till: of advantage when the test cases provide navigational means

   alle1: system as framework for easy generation of test results

   dom: interesting
   ... absolutely needed to effective testing

   alle1: wrapper to test pages to provide navigation

   dom: yes, would make sense, but there is difficulty not to test the
   actual test

   alle1: wrapper available?

   <dom> ACTION: Allen to explore the possibility to have a wrapper for
   the test suites [recorded in
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09]

   alle1: use of frames/framesets possible?

   till: use of frames/framesets should be avoided due to small screen
   size

   dom: everybody please send further ideas to dom and the public
   mailing list

Open framework for test suites on Authoring practices

   <dom> ACTION: Dom to get feedback on the open test suite on
   authoring practices from content developers [recorded in
   [22]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08]
   [ONGOING]

     [22] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08

   <dom> [23]Proposed survey for mobile web developers

     [23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/0023.html

   dom: proposal for survey sent out

   alle1: looks fine
   ... how would survey outcome effect WG?

   dom: many positive replies, do it
   ... few positive replies means a rethinking
   ... ok, will sent the survey to appropriate people and mailing lists

Roadmap of deliverables

   dom: please provide me with further addresses asap, in particular
   mobile development community

   <dom> ACTION: Dom to turn the list of work items into a roadmap with
   a schedule [recorded in
   [24]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/25-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [DONE]

     [24] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/25-mwts-minutes.html#action05

   <dom> [25]Roadmap of deliverables

     [25] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/#goals

   dom: survey period longer as expected
   ... feed-back from internal review already there

   internal means group-internal

   dom: do we need more ua developers wrt feed-back, what they want,
   how they would use testsuites

   dsilaev: some of our developers might be interested

   dom: important work what we already did, reviewing, commenting, etc.
   ... no additional comments on roadmap
   ... concerning framework, maybe the roadmap waas a bit too
   optimistic
   ... collecting tests, review them, classify them would be our main
   task

   till: yes, postpone some of the items makes sense

   dom: agreed
   ... will update the roadmap wrt to some postponed items

Progress on scheduling next F2F

   dom: right now it doesn't make sense to meet
   ... don't have enough material available, and we're not finished
   with our inital work, like review, etc.

   till: do we have to pay attention to summer breaks?

   dom: just need to ensure that we have enough participants, and
   enough work to be discussed

   till, alle1,dsilaev: agreed

   <dom> RESOLUTION: we will schedule our next F2F when the need arises
   - May F2F cancelled

Teleconf schedule change notice

   dom: daylight saving time problems on different continents
   ... either leave time as it is in us, or leave it for europeans

   <dom> RESOLUTION: we will meet on the US (8am PT) time on March 13
   and 20

   dom: other issues?

   dsilaev: are there other testsuites of interests?

   dom: waiting for feed-back from survey
   ... thank you, then

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Allen to explore the possibility to have a wrapper for
   the test suites [recorded in
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
   [NEW] ACTION: Carmelo to run the DOM and CSS test suites on his
   phone [recorded in
   [27]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action03]
   [NEW] ACTION: Carmelo to send his multi-test suite cataloguing
   system to the mailing list [recorded in
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06]
   [NEW] ACTION: Carmelo to take a closer look at CSS for coverage
   [recorded in
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [NEW] ACTION: Dom to get in touch with the CSS WG on cooperating on
   the test suite [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [NEW] ACTION: Dom to run DOM and CSS test suites on his phones
   [recorded in
   [31]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: till to review the WCSS test suite [recorded in
   [32]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action01]

     [27] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action03
     [28] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06
     [29] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07
     [31] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02

   [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to get feedback on the open test suite on
   authoring practices from content developers [recorded in
   [33]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08]

     [33] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08

   [DONE] ACTION: Dom to turn the list of work items into a roadmap
   with a schedule [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/25-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
   [DONE] ACTION: Till to run the CSS Test suite on his phone [recorded
   in [35]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04]

     [34] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/25-mwts-minutes.html#action05
     [35] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04

   [End of minutes]
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