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Re: [All] ITS 2.0 first draft, please review by Thursday

From: Dave Lewis <dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie>
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:28:11 +0100
Message-ID: <4FE1A5BB.4070306@cs.tcd.ie>
To: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
CC: public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org

>     Hi Felix,
>     Just to be clear and properly synchronised, by November 2012, for
>     example, do we mean the beginning or the end of November?
>
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> That we can decide on our own.

That's good, so can we say here and now that the MLW-LT WG interprets 
all these charter dates to means the _end_ of the month? Any objections 
to that?

>
>     So the key point is that all our technical specification,
>     implementation and testing work must be completed by March, i.e.
>     we really need to focus any effort we have planned for MLW-LT in
>     the period from now to March'13.
>
>
> Exactly. As for the "working mode", please have a look at the charter
> http://www.w3.org/2011/12/mlw-lt-charter.html
> "Effective participation to MultilingualWeb-LT Working Group is 
> expected to consume one work day per week for each participant"
> That does not mean "working on MLW-LT on Monday only", but rather 
> "allocating each day about an hour to follow discussions, do action 
> items, help to resolve issues etc.". It's esp. important that the 
> implementors use this time to bring their experience to the working 
> group - that experience should drive our process.
>

that's clear, so people who are involved more to implement code than to 
specify documents, their effort will need to be concentrated over the 
next 8 months for it to influence the W3C process effectively.

cheers,
Dave

> Felix
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>     cheers,
>     Dave
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>     On 19/06/2012 17:47, Felix Sasaki wrote:
>>     Hi Moritz,
>>
>>     the W3C process works on the basis of "if people don't object, we
>>     move forward". For important steps like finalizing the standard,
>>     there is a lot of time to review things. See the timeline
>>     described at
>>     http://www.w3.org/2011/12/mlw-lt-charter.html
>>     2.2 Milestones. You need to put these dates into your calendar:
>>     - May 2012: publish a first draft of ITS .20. This is what we are
>>     doing now. If you don't have time to review the draft, that's
>>     fine - there are plenty of opportunities to update it later.
>>     - November 2012: publish a last call draft. This is the most
>>     serious deadline: the draft needs to be 100% feature complete.
>>     That includes detailed definitions of features, that is having
>>     "empty" sections like
>>     http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#Domain
>>     filled in like
>>     http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#terminology
>>     with consensus of the whole group. Please put this deadline into
>>     your calendar with a red pen: by November your company and all
>>     partners need to work on getting consensus.
>>     - Before November 2012, btw, we will publish a lot of updated
>>     working drafts, just to demonstrate change to the wider public.
>>     - For the other deadlines after November: CR means implementation
>>     testing, PR means a final view on the document from the W3C
>>     membership. These are serious deadlines too, but again there is
>>     more time.
>>
>>     So you and the other participants should always have the charter
>>     in mind, that's it.
>>
>>     2012/6/19 Moritz Hellwig <Moritz.Hellwig@cocomore.com
>>     <mailto:Moritz.Hellwig@cocomore.com>>
>>
>>         Hello Felix,
>>
>>         Iíll try to look at it tomorrow, but a three-day deadline to
>>         check and revise such a document is a bit short notice.
>>
>>
>>     Why do you want to read the whole document? We said since about
>>     1/2 a year ago that we will create a successor of ITS 1.0 - and
>>     in the mail at
>>     http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Jun/0073.html
>>     I sent out the diff to ITS 1.0. I am sure that you took the time
>>     and had a look at ITS 1.0; so now you only need to look at the diff
>>     http://tinyurl.com/boedr9c
>>
>>         If you have more such deadlines in mind for the future, could
>>         you provide dates for that.
>>
>>
>>     The dates for publications of updated working drafts will
>>     continue to come on a short notice, with about a week notice.
>>     Important is that you have a look at the DIFF and the list of
>>     changes.
>>
>>         A list of dates would be enough for me to put in my calendar.
>>
>>
>>     See above, we will only have the "global" dates.
>>
>>         I think you know the W3C process more than anybody else in
>>         the consortium so it would be great if you could maybe
>>         clarify all these deadlines, how they work, what the next
>>         phase means for the draft / project and so on. I think this
>>         would also help the other LT-Web partners to understand how
>>         the process works as most of the members do not know it at all.
>>
>>
>>     Does above explanation help you? If not, please let me know, I'm
>>     more than happy to provide more info.
>>
>>     Best,
>>
>>     Felix
>>
>>         Cheers,
>>
>>         Moritz
>>
>>         *Von:*Felix Sasaki [mailto:fsasaki@w3.org
>>         <mailto:fsasaki@w3.org>]
>>         *Gesendet:* Montag, 18. Juni 2012 03:09
>>         *An:* public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
>>         <mailto:public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>
>>         *Betreff:* [All] ITS 2.0 first draft, please review by Thursday
>>
>>         Hi all,
>>
>>         after the great success of our workshop last week, let's go
>>         into the next round :)
>>
>>         See the editors copy of ITS 2.0 at
>>
>>         http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html
>>
>>         and, not in the editors copy, the status section at
>>
>>         http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/TR-version/#status
>>
>>         ITS 2.0 is based on ITS 1.0, see the changes done so far at
>>
>>         http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#revisionlog
>>
>>         I am sure I forgot *a lot*, but we want to get a first draft
>>         out soon, so this should be a basis. By Thursday, please
>>         reply *to this thread* and
>>
>>         - Let me know what to change
>>
>>         - Propose additions (paragraphs, sections etc.), if possible
>>         with detailed wording
>>
>>         I will then implement your proposals on Friday and issue a
>>         call for consensus on Monday next week, so that we can
>>         publish 28 July.
>>
>>         What we need from now on (not necessarily for the first
>>         publication) are:
>>
>>         - Test data, which serves also as examples, see e.g.
>>         http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#EX-term-local-html-1
>>
>>
>>         - Descriptions of the data categories, following the approach
>>         of the ITS 1.0 existing ones. Again, detailed wording is very
>>         much appreciated
>>
>>         - Detailed wordings for all our issues we resolved already,
>>         e.g. the algorithms for generating RDFa / NIF, the query
>>         language attribute etc.
>>
>>         Thanks a lot for your contributions in advance! A word at
>>         Arle, Dave and Jirka: I will come back to you offline about
>>         editing - as Jirka knows, the setup is based on XML, for the
>>         sake of coherence etc. But you will get used to that soon,
>>         I'm sure.
>>
>>         Best,
>>
>>         Felix
>>
>>         -- 
>>         Felix Sasaki
>>
>>         DFKI / W3C Fellow
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>>     -- 
>>     Felix Sasaki
>>     DFKI / W3C Fellow
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> -- 
> Felix Sasaki
> DFKI / W3C Fellow
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