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Re: ISSUE-9: idValue

From: Maxime Lefrançois <maxime.lefrancois@inria.fr>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:04:48 +0200 (CEST)
To: Yves Savourel <ysavourel@enlaso.com>
Cc: public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
Message-ID: <2000640789.5752791.1339578288401.JavaMail.root@inria.fr>
I don't think there is a PROV-notation example that replaces the usage of the ITS idValueRule rule as I understand it.

----- Mail original -----
> De: "Yves Savourel" <ysavourel@enlaso.com>
> À: public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
> Envoyé: Mercredi 13 Juin 2012 10:58:20
> Objet: RE: ISSUE-9: idValue
> 
> Thanks for the pointer Maxime.
> 
> I've read the definition, but I'm afraid I still don't see how
> concretely prov:hadOriginalSource would be used in an ITS rule.
> That's probably me not understanding how PROV works.
> 
> PROV seems to be about expressing relations, but here we don't have a
> relation yet between the original content and the extracted one.
> 
> Could you maybe write my small example with the PROV notation, so we
> can picture how that would look like?
> 
> -ys
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Maxime Lefrançois [mailto:maxime.lefrancois@inria.fr]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:26 AM
> To: Yves Savourel
> Cc: public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
> Subject: Re: ISSUE 9: idValue
> 
> Hi Yves,
> 
> I might not fully understand all the needs/implicatures of the
> idValue, nor how that would work in practice exactly, I suggest you
> have a look at the definition of the prov:hadOriginalSource relation
> there:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-prov-dm-20120503/#term-original-source
> 
> This relation could be used to link the str:String Entity of the
> output to the str:String Entity in the original document.
>  - This is orthogonal to any other data category,
>  - This don't replace the possibility to apply the best practice that
>  consists in giving the same local id than in the original document.
> 
> Maxime.
> 
> ----- Mail original -----
> > De: "Yves Savourel" <ysavourel@enlaso.com>
> > À: public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
> > Envoyé: Mercredi 13 Juin 2012 10:01:42
> > Objet: ISSUE 9: idValue
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > To follow up on the possible idValue feature:
> > 
> > I may not completely understand how PROV works yet, but it seems to
> > me
> > this would apply to store the id after it has been extracted.
> > 
> > So whether or not it's used in the output, it wouldn't change the
> > need
> > for an ITS rule for indicating how to acquire the ID values from
> > original documents where you have existing IDs.
> > 
> > I also think this should be its own data category rather than an
> > attribute in the translateRule (as the current extension proposal)
> > because application may need to use the feature without using the
> > Translate data category (for example with the Terminology data
> > category).
> > 
> > We would have for example:
> > 
> > <?xml version="1.0"?>
> > <messages>
> >  <its:rules version="2.0"
> >  xmlns:its="http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its">
> >   <its:idValueRule selector="//msg" idValue="@num"/>  </its:rules>
> > <msg num="123">Some text for ID 123</msg> </messages>
> > 
> > The local attribute xml:id would override the global rule, the same
> > way xml:lang is the local attribute for the Language Information
> > data
> > category.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > -yves
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> 
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