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RE: ISSUE-9: idValue

From: Yves Savourel <ysavourel@enlaso.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 09:58:20 +0100
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Thanks for the pointer Maxime.

I've read the definition, but I'm afraid I still don't see how concretely prov:hadOriginalSource would be used in an ITS rule. That's probably me not understanding how PROV works.

PROV seems to be about expressing relations, but here we don't have a relation yet between the original content and the extracted one.

Could you maybe write my small example with the PROV notation, so we can picture how that would look like?

-ys

-----Original Message-----
From: Maxime Lefrançois [mailto:maxime.lefrancois@inria.fr] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:26 AM
To: Yves Savourel
Cc: public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
Subject: Re: ISSUE 9: idValue

Hi Yves, 

I might not fully understand all the needs/implicatures of the idValue, nor how that would work in practice exactly, I suggest you have a look at the definition of the prov:hadOriginalSource relation there: http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-prov-dm-20120503/#term-original-source

This relation could be used to link the str:String Entity of the output to the str:String Entity in the original document.
 - This is orthogonal to any other data category,
 - This don't replace the possibility to apply the best practice that consists in giving the same local id than in the original document.

Maxime.

----- Mail original -----
> De: "Yves Savourel" <ysavourel@enlaso.com>
> À: public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
> Envoyé: Mercredi 13 Juin 2012 10:01:42
> Objet: ISSUE 9: idValue
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> To follow up on the possible idValue feature:
> 
> I may not completely understand how PROV works yet, but it seems to me 
> this would apply to store the id after it has been extracted.
> 
> So whether or not it's used in the output, it wouldn't change the need 
> for an ITS rule for indicating how to acquire the ID values from 
> original documents where you have existing IDs.
> 
> I also think this should be its own data category rather than an 
> attribute in the translateRule (as the current extension proposal) 
> because application may need to use the feature without using the 
> Translate data category (for example with the Terminology data 
> category).
> 
> We would have for example:
> 
> <?xml version="1.0"?>
> <messages>
>  <its:rules version="2.0" xmlns:its="http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its">
>   <its:idValueRule selector="//msg" idValue="@num"/>  </its:rules>  
> <msg num="123">Some text for ID 123</msg> </messages>
> 
> The local attribute xml:id would override the global rule, the same 
> way xml:lang is the local attribute for the Language Information data 
> category.
> 
> Cheers,
> -yves
> 
> 
> 
>
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