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Re: MATF Minutes 25 January 2018

From: Patrick H. Lauke <plauke@paciellogroup.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 14:36:11 +0000
To: public-mobile-a11y-tf@w3.org
Message-ID: <76ecb0c8-4f51-d45c-b36e-1dccd46a06c6@paciellogroup.com>
On 26/01/2018 14:29, Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
> On 26/01/2018 13:12, Detlev Fischer (TK) wrote:
>> My understanding was that the user agent control exception was mainly 
>> meant to cover elements that are not affected by CSS styling so cannot 
>> meet the target requirement without hacks, i.e., the inputs of type 
>> radio and type checkbox.
> 
> So instead of "is not modified by the author" it should have read 
> "cannot be modified by the author"?
> 
> And even with this interpretation, note that while radios/checkboxes are 
> indeed examples of controls that are oddly resilient to regular styling 
> (as browsers often use either OS-own UI components, or their own special 
> built-in replaced controls), they are not wholly unstylable. See for 
> instance https://codepen.io/patrickhlauke/pen/opKerg (uses CSS transform 
> on a container, which then results in checkboxes and radio buttons 
> scaling up natively as well).

Probably the only things I can think of that "cannot be modified by the 
author" (this, btw, seems to be the better way of putting it, so if the 
language can't be modified as a small editorial change in 2.1 before it 
goes final, then the understanding definitely needs to hammer this point 
home) are native alert()/confirm() dialog boxes, page permissions boxes 
("This page wants to send you notifications / know your location / 
access your filesystem"), the actual file picker for an <input 
type="file">. anything else that's part of the actual web page/content 
can more or less be styled and modified by the author (either directly, 
applying styles to it, or indirectly, by styles set on a parent/ancestor).

P
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