Re: Minutes from Mobile-A11y TF teleconferrence of 30 April, 2015

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I think I'm going to go through a grieving process after Zakim is gone.
We've had an intimate relationship for 12 years. Every decision, and
lifelong a11y friendships came through Zaky. Are we going to throw Zaky a
goodbye party?

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On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Detlev Fischer <
detlev.fischer@testkreis.de> wrote:

> Minutes:
>
> http://www.w3.org/2015/04/30-mobile-a11y-minutes.html
>
> Text of Minutes:
>
> Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
> 30 Apr 2015
>
> Agenda
>
> See also: IRC log
> Attendees
>
> Present
>     Kim_Patch, Detlev, Marc_Johlic, Jeanne, jon_avila, Henny, AWK
> Regrets
>     David_MacDonald, Alan_Smith, Kathy_Wahbin, Jan_Richards
> Chair
>     Kimberly_Patch
> Scribe
>     Detlev
>
> Contents
>
>     Topics
>         Perceivable Best Practices
>     Summary of Action Items
>
> <trackbot> Date: 30 April 2015
>
> <scribe> scribe: Detlev
> Perceivable Best Practices
>
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Perceivable_Techniques
>
> <Kim> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page
>
> <Kim> http://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-TF-Note/
>
> Kim: M-numbered techiques from original assignments
> ... Anything under small screen size that can translatr to best practice
> or technque?
>
> Jon: Difference betweeen small screen size and magnification
>
> Jon; sent an email about that to list
>
> <Kim>
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2015Apr/0026.html
>
> Jon: Under zoom there is a larger topic: resize text, restrictions on
> elements that will not zoom, for example
>
> Marc: Is that adressing failures or techniques?
>
> Jon: Failures should be mire general, techniques more specific
> ... issues with VW units
> ... issues arise because screen size is smaller
>
> Jeane: what is this CSS issue (esantd zto pick up elsewhere)
>
> Jon; VW units define size relative to the screen width
>
> <jon_avila> http://codepen.io/vcurd/full/ByerKw
>
> Jon: used to preserve the look of something regardless of font size
> ... There's a discussion on the mobile a11y list around that
> ... Issues aries on mobile due to small size - needs more testing
>
> Jeanne: Text did enlarge in Firefox (desktop)
> ... VW units does not restrict resizing but defines the way it does
> ... many things thst crop up that go unnoticed so importsant to call them
> out
>
> Kim: looking at example on iphone and all lines are enlarging
>
> Marc: Looking on it on an Android and it works there, too - not just
> increasing the font size but everything
>
> Kim: different scenarios, mobile and desktop - different to define common
> rules
>
> Marc: middle line starts of smaller than on desktop (Chrome on Android)
>
> Jeanne: Need to set up better test - having a hard time finding out how it
> is coded, there are many other things in that example
>
> Kim: Opening it in Vivaldi - lines initially the same size
>
> <marcjohlic> .vws {
>
> <marcjohlic> font-size: 1vw;
>
> <marcjohlic> }
>
> <marcjohlic> <p class="vws">
>
> <marcjohlic> The font size of this paragraph is set in viewport…
>
> <marcjohlic> </p>
>
> Jeanne: aparently very different browser implementations
>
> Kim: Other issues / technique?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMC3Ev7CaDw
>
> Captions not visible on mobile devices - they can be made visible on
> desktop, not in Chrome on Android - possibly leading to a technique .. not
> sure
>
> Jon: are captions turned on on the OS settings? In this video they are nit
> displayed even with captions enabled on the OS level
>
> Kim: anyone with devices where captions are enabled and ARE shown?
>
> may be control missing
>
> Kim: No luck in Safari iOS
>
> Henny: in Youtube app on iOS it says no captions available
>
> <jeanne> jeanne: I have captions turned on in iOS 8.3 and am not seeing
> captions or a control to turn on captions in Ted.com player in Safari.
>
> Marc: wondering if the auto-generating feature does not work on mobile or
> if they supplied a caption file
>
> Kim: How would a TED video be different?
>
> Marc: works fine in TED app
>
> Jeanne: DId not open captions in Safari
>
> Marc: Android /Chrome does not offer a caption option to enable captiond
>
> Andrew: on iOS and Android it is doen for OS preferences / caption
> setttings
>
> Marc: Captions on on Nexus five, still not shown
> ... Player doesnot honour settings - is it an issue for web developers?
>
> Kim: Not getting captions on TED video when downloading
>
> Andrew: three verical dots show caption button -
>
> Jon: but not on the example sent earlier -
>
> Marc: may be down to being explicitly provided vs. auto-generated
>
> <jon_avila> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEQ-wfJisBA
>
> Marc: TED app on android dod provide captions not seen via Chrome
>
> <AWK> I'm sure that we could get the low-down on how youtube does this via
> Loretta or Ken Harrenstein
>
> UAAG or WCAG issue?
>
> Jeane: more a UA issue should be flagged
>
> Kim: should be put into the use cases
> ... TED app works on ANdroid, browsers did not
> ... jeanne, where's the best place for it?
>
> Jeanne: taking note for UAAG
> ... Separate WIKI page for UAAG issues related to mobile
>
> Kim: Also check on a variety of browsers
> ... Getting back to perceivable techniques related to small screen size?
> Everythign covered?
> ... ANythign on zoom mag issues
> ... Contrast? Anything mobile techniques / best practices here?
>
> Jon: Issues related to calculate point size at which you apply lower
> contrast requiremnets (3:1)
> ... We need a sufficient technique for people to test that - its in the
> mobile note
> ... Will come up with wording
> ... Possibly also advisory techniques with more stringent contrast
> requirements
>
> Detlev: Check where a11y features set at OS apply to browser content
>
> Jon: If it works users can be asked to turn on settings to achieve higher
> contrast
>
> Kim: What is the situation across OSs?
>
> Jon: easy on iOS but there are many Android skins where OS setting may be
> supported or not
>
> Kim; can we rely on that then? How do we handle that?
>
> Jeanne: WCAG can say where the technique applies (bound to OS ect)
> ... has to be handled by differentiating betwen different OS / UA etc
>
> Like Accessessibility support - if not sufficiently supported then it is
> not a good candidate for a sufficient technique
>
> Jeanne: Zakim is going to be phased out (end of June)
>
> MIT has stopped funding Zakim so we need to move to WebX
>
> <jeanne> WebEx
>
> WebEx can call US!
>
> Zakim will not tell us who is on the call
>
> Jeanne: we are losing some and gaining some
>
> Andrew: Trials to day with iOS app - worked well - there may be a11y issues
> ... Talking about a11y settle ment (quoted above)
>
> <marcjohlic> http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/track/basics/
>
> <marcjohlic> http://iandevlin.github.io/mdn/video-player-with-captions/
>
> Andrew: mobile TF was referenced even if it wasn't normative
>
> <marcjohlic>
> https://developers.google.com/youtube/2.0/developers_guide_protocol_captions
>
> Marc: HTML5 video & track element seems to work -
> ... Note at broad audience to look at features - some confusion due to
> different numbering of mobile note vs. WCAG numbering
> Summary of Action Items
> [End of minutes]
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> Regrets: David_MacDonald Alan_Smith Kathy_Wahbin Jan_Richards
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