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Re: Response to your LC Comment -2393 on Media Ontology spec

From: James Salsman <jsalsman@talknicer.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 21:07:51 -0700
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=t8iNaW7BvciTcft13x2ScgTE7+y8my+UUi2pA@mail.gmail.com>
To: tmichel@w3.org
Cc: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>, "public-media-annotation@w3.org" <public-media-annotation@w3.org>
Dear Thierry,

I most certainly do not cancel my objection.

Please send me the names and email addresses of all persons who
purport to claim that media format definitions do not contain
metadata.

I have asked the VP8 and Speex media authorities to complete your
ontology forms.

Sincerely,
James Salsman


On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote:
> James,
>
>
> We need to wrap up this issue in order to allow the MAWG to move forward the
> Media Ontology spec.
>
>
> Could you please respond to this email and say:
>
> 1- that you cancel your formal objection.
> 2- that you agree to the MAWG proposal to include a
> WebM multimedia container format mapping table
>
> as you had referred to
> http://www.webmproject.org
>
>
> 3- Do you plan to send us the WebM multimedia container format mapping
> table, whith the appropriate info ?
> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html#iddiv4x2x27165
>
> Best,
>
> Thierry
>
>
>
>
> Le 12/10/2010 08:54, Thierry MICHEL a écrit :
>>
>> Silvia,
>>
>> This is exactly what I have told James, in my earlier email in response
>> to his last call comment.
>>
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Sep/0225.html
>>
>> extract:
>> "To focus on your request to include VP8 and speex in our Ontology, the
>> mapping tables are intended for multimedia *metadata formats*.
>> - VP8 is an open video compression format (codec).
>> - Speex is a free audio codec for Free Speech.
>> These are not *metadata formats*, and therefore not meant to be listed
>> in our mapping tables".
>>
>> As James raised an objection if this 2 formats were not included, I have
>> asked him to provide the 2 mapping tables for Speex and VP8, and see
>> what he could provide ...
>>
>> And, as we had concluded in the MAWG that on the container carries
>> metadata, I have in a couple of emails asked James to provide a mapping
>> table for the media container formats WebM.
>>
>> an pointed to the template to use
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/CR/mapping_table-php.html
>>
>>
>> I am still waiting for James to provide this information if he wants to
>> see it in the spec. A place holder for this containet is already created
>>
>>
>> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html#iddiv4x2x27165
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Thierry.
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 12/10/2010 03:43, Silvia Pfeiffer a écrit :
>>>
>>> James, Thierry,
>>>
>>> Speex and VP8 are codecs and don't by themselves have accessible
>>> metadata.
>>> They, however, are not distributed as codec data, but rather inside media
>>> containers.
>>>
>>> When we talk about Speex in files, it comes in an Ogg container and as
>>> such
>>>
>>> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html#iddiv4x2x16776should
>>>
>>> satisfy your need for a mapping table.
>>>
>>> When we talk about VP8 in files, it comes in a WebM container with
>>> Vorbis.
>>> Somebody needs to fill in
>>>
>>> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html#iddiv4x2x27165!
>>>
>>> If nobody is doing it, let me know and I'll make the time to dig it
>>> out.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Silvia.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 3:54 AM, Thierry MICHEL<tmichel@w3.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear James,
>>>>
>>>> In your latest email to the MAWG response to your comment, you seem to
>>>> disagree with the MAWG proposal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Sep/0245.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "I don't agree with the statement that speex or VP8 are not metadata
>>>> formats. They are audio and audiovisual media formats which contain
>>>> both metadata and data in their specifications.
>>>> This disagreement can be resolved if speex and VP8 are included in the
>>>> media ontology".
>>>>
>>>> The group is currently discussing your objection. Speex is an audio
>>>> format, and the Ontology spec is mainly incorporating images and video
>>>> metadata formats.
>>>>
>>>> To move forward, could you please send the MAWG the 2 mapping tables for
>>>> Speex and VP8.
>>>>
>>>> Please use as template the following tables with the exact name of the
>>>> property being mapped to, like ma:identifier, ma:title, etc.
>>>> and the same columns: Relation, How to do the mapping, Datatype,
>>>> Required
>>>> vs Optional,XPath
>>>>
>>>> templates:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html#metadata-mapping-table
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Could you please send these ASAP as we are about to release a new
>>>> publication of the Media Ontology spec
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Thierry Michel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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