- From: Thierry Michel <tmichel@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:10:14 +0100
- To: "public-media-annotation@w3.org" <public-media-annotation@w3.org>
All,
The minutes of today's telecon is available for review at:
http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-mediaann-minutes.html
(and in text format below).
Cheers.
Thierry
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Media Annotations WG minutes
17 Mar 2009
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-mediaann-irc
Attendees
Present
Regrets
Chair
Joakim
Scribe
tmichel
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Agenda review and approval of previous minutes
2. [5]Selection of scribe for next meeting
3. [6]action items
4. [7]Publish of mapping table as it on TR pages and comments
from W3C team
5. [8]Results of questionnaire of mapping formats
6. [9]Call for reviewers on mapping formats
7. [10]Reviewing the Mapping table and discussion
8. [11]Toy implementation
* [12]Summary of Action Items
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<daniel> Joakim...are you on the phone ?
Agenda review and approval of previous minutes
<joakim> [13]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html
[13] http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html
minutes are approuved.
Reminder : next call will still happen one hour in advance for non
US.
Selection of scribe for next meeting
no volunteer ...
who did not scribe for long time ?
Chris volunteer because he never scribed !
Thierry is scribing today.
action items
[14]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
[14] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
<joakim>
[15]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
[15] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
ACTION 43 ?
<trackbot> Action pending
I could not understanf Felix ...
ACTION 47 still pending
<trackbot> Action pending
<fsasaki> thierry, I thought you would take AI 43 over, but maybe I
misunderstood?
ACTION 54 to Veronique
<trackbot> reassigned to Véronique.
It is possible to reassigne an action
ACTION 80 posted feed back
<trackbot> Action pending
Felix: Might have more information later
<daniel>
[16]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/54 is
changed to Veronique
[16] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/54
close ACTION 82
<fsasaki> close ACTION-82
<trackbot> ACTION-82 Wey to provide mapping for itunes and quicktime
closed
close ACTION-85
<trackbot> ACTION-85 Implement agreed changes in requirements
document closed
close ACTION-86
<trackbot> ACTION-86 Update Excel sheet to support description of
properties closed
close ACTION-87
<trackbot> ACTION-87 And Werner will look into the Google Dataset
API closed
close ACTION-89
<trackbot> ACTION-89 Provide the list of all formats considered in
the mapping table with the person who did the mapping, leading each
sub-group closed
close ACTION-90
<trackbot> ACTION-90 Re-open the questionnaire and invite people to
really respond even if they have no preferences, in order to get a
quorum of responses closed
close ACTION-91
<trackbot> ACTION-91 Chase the non-responders closed
ACTION-92 does someone want to comment ?
<fsasaki> felix: I will take this over
Felix will meet someone from Adobe latter today and will report
latter
Publish of mapping table as it on TR pages and comments from W3C team
<joakim>
[17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009
Mar/0047.html
[17]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0047.html
<daniel>
[18]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/92 is
tossed to Felix
[18] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/92
Thierry: talked to W3C comm Team about publishing the excel table
(in an HTML format). Ian agreed to published as is.
<fsasaki>
[19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009
Mar/0062.html
[19]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0062.html
<joakim>
[20]http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.
html
[20]
http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html
Felix: reports about Raphael's email sent today. Raphael agrees to
publish with conditional remarks. Please read his email
<veroniqueM> +1 for the publication with the remarks
<tobias> I read Raphael's mail before - I agree to the comments.
thus: +1
Thierry : Now, about the publication of the first draft. Felix has
edited the spec with a place holder for mapping table:We will have
an index with a list of formats linking to each format
Felix: Raphael would like a publication after the F2F in spain.
... we could review then the table duringt the F2F
Thierry: for each format we will have an entry with a link to an
external file
Move the deadline for publication after the F2F ?
<fsasaki> +1
<wbailer> +1
<wonsuk> +1
<tobias> +1
<daniel> +1
objection for this schedule ?
<veroniqueM> +1
<veroniqueM> no objection :)
no objection !
<fsasaki> cool!
resolution: publish the first draft after the F2F
<scribe> ACTION: thierry to work on the document to include index of
format linking to the proper table [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-93 - Work on the document to include an
index of format linking to the proper table [on Thierry Michel - due
2009-03-24].
<joakim> Web AP WG
[22]http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/MediaObject/publish/
[22] http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/MediaObject/publish/
<joakim> From the Web AP WG, the media object description: how does
it relates to our document ?
would it make sense to add also the interface to the mapping ?
<tobias> +1 for Wbailer; I guess it would make sense.
<chris> +1
<joakim> Will talk about this during the F2F meeting
ACTION thierry to talk about the liaison with the he Web APs WG
<trackbot> Created ACTION-94 - Talk about the liaison with the he
Web APs WG [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-03-24].
<joakim>
[23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009
Mar/0042.html
[23]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0042.html
Results of questionnaire of mapping formats
Second reopen for the questionnaire:
<joakim>
[24]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42786/Annot-format-survey/results
[24] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42786/Annot-format-survey/results
Thierry explain his conclusion: see his earlier email
Let me explain how one can conclude on the 3 questions:
You take the som of the ranking of the 3 questions:
the lowest som wins:
Media RSS 2+1+3= 6
EXIF 1+5+1= 7
Youtube 4+2+4= 10
TV-Anytime 5+7+3=15
ID3 frames 5+4+7=16
MPEG-7 =8+6+2= 16
EBUCore 7+3+8= 19
<veroniqueM> I missed one part: do we need to pick up one format
only to start working on? Why not the 5 selected?
Thierry: This is not a formal vote. just an indicator tool to
evaluate which formats are of interest to the participants.
Felix agrees that this not a formal vote to consider as is
<veroniqueM> my question was about "Now the issues is which format
do we want to retain?"
<veroniqueM> you want to focus first on only ONE format?
We also have to consider the people's implementations. This is an
important info for considering formats to pick.
<tobias> agree to Joakim; the industry members are important for the
group - so we should take their opinion into account.
Felix: we should ask here what people think about Itunes and QT.
Felix: let's have a poll about Itunes and QT ...
Daniel: industry members are important for our group
<veroniqueM> I have no specific opinion about whether to take into
account or not Itunes and QT
Very difficult to hear Daniel ...
Daniel: should have some kind of guidelines for choosing a format
... any suggestions ?
<daniel> question: format selection is very controversial...so, we
should have any guideline or criteria for the group
Felix: we have input from the questionnaire. Also the implementation
of the format is an important criteria to keep it in or not
Joakim: but the WG members are not necessary the implementors
Joakim: The issue is that the QT and Itunes are not in the
questionnaire. We should give them a chance
<veroniqueM> +1 to ask the group what they think about these 2
formats
<veroniqueM> but we can work on the other formats meanwhile...
Felix: We should send something to Dave Singer to say that we have
nothing against QT and Itunes, but these 2 formats were not in the
mapping table when the Quetionnaire was setup
ID3 and Itunes seem to overlap
Thierry: The ranking shows the interest of the participants toward
these formats.
Call for reviewers on mapping formats
<joakim>
[25]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Format_mapping_
review
[25]
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Format_mapping_review
<chris> What is the due date for this review?
<hui> p17 hui
Veronique: should we start reviewing formats that will not be kept ?
<chris> +1 on Tobias' comment
We should review at least for the publication of the mapping table
<veroniqueM> yes, Tobias' comment makes sense, +1
Thierry: we should review all formats for publication then focus on
the formats we will keep
Due date for people to put their namer as reviewer challenger : next
week, for next call.
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Format_mapping_revi
ew
Due date for people to review the format: 2 weeks, to have input for
the F2F.
Reviewing the Mapping table and discussion
<joakim>
[26]http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mapping_table
_090223_common.htm
[26]
http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mapping_table_090223_common.htm
<scribe> postponed to the F2F
Toy implementation
veronique sent a proposal for XMP and Dublin Core in RDF
will discuss it next week
rssagent, draft minutes
<tobias> bye
<daniel> next call is also the same timezone
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: thierry to work on the document with the proper table
[recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]
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