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Re: Proposal for modifications to the Media Ontology Document

From: Veronique Malaise <vmalaise@few.vu.nl>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:20:54 +0200
Cc: Daniel Park <soohongp@gmail.com>, "public-media-annotation@w3.org" <public-media-annotation@w3.org>
Message-Id: <CF452BA6-DDE4-48AB-BD0D-02BBC96FDA0C@few.vu.nl>
To: "Bailer, Werner" <werner.bailer@joanneum.at>
Hello!

Agreed to all of your comments!

Véro

On Jun 5, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Bailer, Werner wrote:

> Dear Véronique, all,
>
> Thanks a lot for the proposed changes. I agree to most of them, find  
> my comments to the others below:
>
>> ------
>> Further it defines semantics-preserving mappings between
>> elements from existing formats.
>> -> what does "semantics-preserving" mean?
>
> I suggest to drop it, actually the mapping table tells how much  
> semantics is preserved or lost.
>
>> -> we do not define mappings between formats, it is mappings
>> between the formats and a common set, not between them (cf
>> the directed vs non-directed mapping discussion).
>> -> Further, a mapping between a set of popular existing
>> formats for describing multimedia (on the Web?) and this
>> ontology has been defined.
>
> I would not write "on the Web", actually some of the formats are not  
> really Web-related.
>
>> ------
>> Nevertheless it is being published with the aspiration to
>> gather wide feedback on the general direction of the Working
>> Group. In particular we would like to encourage feedback on
>> section 4 Property definition.
>> -> section 4 should be renamed, we do not define the
>> properties, we simply list the properties taken into account
>> in the core part of the ontology.
>
> I'm not sure about renaming. First, we give a brief definition of  
> the properties (that sentence is also called definition in the  
> Dublin Core Spec). Second, if we are going to define data types in  
> future version it is even more justified to call it definition.
>
>> ------
>> 2.2 Identifiers of formats
>> Why not merge this section with the "formats in scope" which
>> is a long list without information and is redundant with this
>> table, much nicer than a flat list.
>
> I agree to merging. Looking at the table, I'm not sure if the  
> arbitrary examples for each of the formats provide any useful  
> information here.
>
>> ------
>> 3 Property value type definitions
>> 3.1 Basic property value types
>> ->3 Property value type definitions
>> Property value types are the types of values that properties
>> can have. These can be:
>> [remove: 3.1 Basic property value types, as there are no
>> complex values defined so far]
>> -> this section can also go under the format in scope section
>> gathering the previous table.
>
> I think once we start defining the types of our properties, the  
> basic property value types could become a subsection of 4.
>
>> ------
>> Last comment:
>> -> by the way, we never define ontology, and never state that
>> we consider a light weight description of properties and
>> their informal mappings as an ontology. We can also add that
>> some more canonical forms of ontologies, with restrictions
>> and a formal semantics might be derived from this informal
>> list at a further stage.
>
> We had this discussion about different layers of conformance (more  
> formal and more informal ones) some time ago. I think it could be  
> mentioned on the introduction of this document that we have now the  
> set of properties, for which a more formal definition might be  
> provided in future version. (Simply adding data types is a step into  
> this direction.)
>
> Best regards,
> Werner
>
>
>
>> On Jun 1, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Daniel Park wrote:
>>
>>
>> 	This is a draft agenda for this week call tomorrow.
>> Feel free to let chairs know if any items are omitted...
>>
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>> 	*[1] Administratives*
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>> 	Chair: Daniel
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>> 	Scribe: Werner
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>> 	Regrets:
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>> 	[a] Agenda review and approval of previous minutes 26 May 2009
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>> 	http://www.w3.org/2009/05/26-mediaann-minutes.html
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>> 	[b] Schedule for the next call on 9 June 2009
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>> 	*[2] Items*
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>> 	[a] Action items
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>> 	Please give us the status of your Action Item. We will
>> go through the list
>> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
>> <http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open>
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>> 	[b] Initial draft of "Ontology for Media Entity 1.0"
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>> 	    i) Status (Wonsuk, Veronique)
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>> 	    ii) Attribute descriptors (David)
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>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/20
> 09May/0099.html <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-> media- 
> annotation/2009May/0099.html>
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>> 	    iii) Syntactic descriptions comment from Felix
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>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/20
> 09May/0096.html <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-> media- 
> annotation/2009May/0096.html>
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>> 	[c] Browsable version (Ruben), can it be done automatically?
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>> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/MediaOntology
>> <http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/MediaOntology>
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>> 	[d] Schedule for API and Ontology for Media Resource
>> 1.0 First Draft.
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>> 	Set up a time plan in order to move it to a draft
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>> 	[e] AOB
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>> 	---------------------------------------------
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>> 	--
>> 	Soohong Daniel Park
>> 	Standard Architect, http://blog.naver.com/natpt
>> 	DMC Business, Samsung Electronics, KOREA
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