Re: A Distributed Economy -- A blog involving Linked Data

Hello Paul and Michael,

IMHO, this is the fulcrum between "Linked Data" and "Linked Open Data" - the ethics of a Repository.  A Repository needs internal procedures to limit inflation due to redundancy.  You can not stop people from thinking of namespaces as "brands" but you can not stop unscrupulous data merchants from restocking the shelves with repackaged data either.  If you want to reuse RDF it is best run it through an ethical Repository as you would recycle a book through a Library.
--Gannon
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On Sat, 9/20/14, Michael Brunnbauer <brunni@netestate.de> wrote:

 Subject: Re: A Distributed Economy -- A blog involving Linked Data
 To: "Paul Houle" <ontology2@gmail.com>
 Cc: "Gannon Dick" <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>, "Linked Data community" <public-lod@w3.org>, "Kingsley Idehen" <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
 Date: Saturday, September 20, 2014, 11:30 AM
 
 
 Hello
 Paul,
 
 or why don't we
 just acknowledge that whether your knowledge
 representation
 
 1) has a
 formal semantics
 2) has a formal syntax
 3) is more or less expressive
 
 is a matter of the task at
 hand.
 
 The whole Web already
 *is* linked data and I wonder if one day when we will
 have the perfect RDF, it will be obsolete. Of
 course - per the above - it
 would still have
 its use cases.
 
 Regards,
 
 Michael Brunnbauer
 
 On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 11:25:43AM -0400, Paul
 Houle wrote:
 > Why don't we just
 reorganize RDF to look like the predicate calculus,  let
 > the arity > 2,  and then say it is
 something new so we can escape the RDF
 >
 name.
 > 
 > In fact, 
 let's just call it "ISO Common Logic",
 > 
 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_logic
 > 
 > Most of the
 "cool kids" weren't around in the 1980s so
 they don't have the
 > bad taste in
 their mouth left by the predicate calculus.
 > 
 > I don't see any
 problem with extending SPARQL to arity > 2 facts,  we
 can
 > let OWL dry and blow away.
 > 
 > On Sat, Sep 20, 2014
 at 10:47 AM, Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>
 wrote:
 > 
 > > +1,
 nicely put Kingsley
 > > --Gannon
 > >
 --------------------------------------------
 > > On Fri, 9/19/14, Kingsley Idehen
 <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
 wrote:
 > >
 > > 
 Subject: Re: A Distributed Economy -- A blog involving
 Linked Data
 > >  To: public-lod@w3.org
 > >  Date: Friday, September 19, 2014,
 5:48 PM
 > >
 >
 >
 > >      On 9/19/14 4:38
 PM,
 > >  Brent Shambaugh
 > >        wrote:
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >       
 Manu Sporny's post titled "Building
 > >  Linked Data into the Core
 > >          of the Web"
 > >
 > >       
   [
 > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webpayments/2014Sep/0063.html]
 > >          led to the question:
 > >
 > >
 > >        is linked data and
 semantic web tech useful? I
 > > 
 think so. I
 > >          can only
 speak from my own perspective and
 >
 >  experience.
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >      Brent,
 >
 >
 > >
 > >
 > >      Pasting my reply to Manu
 (with some editing) here, as I
 > > 
 think its
 > >      important:
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >     
 Manu,
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >      It is misleading (albeit
 inadvertent in regards to your
 > > 
 post above)
 > >      to infer that
 Linked Data isn't already the core of
 > >  the Web. The
 >
 >      absolute fact of the matter is that Linked Data
 has been
 > >  the core of
 > >      the Web since it was an idea
 [1][2].
 > >
 >
 >
 > >
 > >
 > >      The Web doesn't work at
 all if HTTP URIs aren't
 > > 
 names for:
 > >
 >
 >
 > >
 > >
 > >      [1] What exists on the Web
 > >
 > >
 > >      [2] What exists, period.
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >      We just have the misfortune
 of poor communications
 > >  mucking
 up proper
 > >      comprehension of
 AWWW. For example, RDF should have been
 >
 >  presented
 > >      to the
 world as an effort by the W3C to standardize an
 > >  existing
 >
 >      aspect of the Web i.e., the ability to leverage
 HTTP
 > >  URIs as
 > >      mechanisms for:
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >      1. entity identification
 & naming
 > >
 >
 >
 > >      2. entity description
 using sentences or statements --
 > > 
 where (as is
 > >      the case re.,
 natural language) a sentence or statement
 > >  is comprised
 >
 >      of a subject, predicate, and object.
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >      Instead, we ended up with an
 incomprehensible,
 > >  indefensible,
 and at
 > >      best draconian
 narrative that has forever tainted the
 >
 >  letters
 > >     
 "R-D-F" .  And to compount matters,
 > >  "HttpRange-14" has
 become
 > >      censorship tool
 (based on its ridiculous history), that
 >
 >  blurs fixing
 > >      this
 horrible state of affairs.
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >     
 Links:
 > >
 >
 >
 > >
 > >
 > >      [1] http://bit.ly/10Y9FL1
 > >      -- Evidence that Linked Data
 was always at the core of
 > >  the
 Web
 > >      (excuse some
 instability on my personal data space
 >
 >  instance, at this
 > >     
 point in time, should you encounter issues looking up
 > >  the document
 >
 >      identified by this HTTP URI)
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >      [2]
 > >
 http://kidehen.blogspot.com/2014/03/world-wide-web-25-years-later.html
 > >      -- World Wide Web, 25 years
 later
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >      [3]
 > >
 http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/04/b4/79/04b4794ccf2b6fd14ed3c822be26382f.jpg
 > >      -- Illustrating
 identification (naming) on the Web (re.,
 > >  things that
 >
 >      exist on or off the Web medium) .
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >      --
 >
 >
 > >
 > >
 > >      --
 >
 >  Regards,
 > >
 > >  Kingsley Idehen
 > >  Founder & CEO
 > >  OpenLink Software
 > >  Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
 > >  Personal Weblog 1: http://kidehen.blogspot.com
 > >  Personal Weblog 2: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
 > >  Twitter Profile: https://twitter.com/kidehen
 > >  Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/+KingsleyIdehen/about
 > >  LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
 > >  Personal WebID: http://kingsley.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen#this
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > 
 > 
 > -- 
 > Paul Houle
 > Expert on Freebase, DBpedia, Hadoop and
 RDF
 > (607) 539 6254    paul.houle on
 Skype   ontology2@gmail.com
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