Re: A Distributed Economy -- A blog involving Linked Data

Hello Paul,

or why don't we just acknowledge that whether your knowledge representation

1) has a formal semantics
2) has a formal syntax
3) is more or less expressive

is a matter of the task at hand.

The whole Web already *is* linked data and I wonder if one day when we will
have the perfect RDF, it will be obsolete. Of course - per the above - it
would still have its use cases.

Regards,

Michael Brunnbauer

On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 11:25:43AM -0400, Paul Houle wrote:
> Why don't we just reorganize RDF to look like the predicate calculus,  let
> the arity > 2,  and then say it is something new so we can escape the RDF
> name.
> 
> In fact,  let's just call it "ISO Common Logic",
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_logic
> 
> Most of the "cool kids" weren't around in the 1980s so they don't have the
> bad taste in their mouth left by the predicate calculus.
> 
> I don't see any problem with extending SPARQL to arity > 2 facts,  we can
> let OWL dry and blow away.
> 
> On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > +1, nicely put Kingsley
> > --Gannon
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Fri, 9/19/14, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Subject: Re: A Distributed Economy -- A blog involving Linked Data
> >  To: public-lod@w3.org
> >  Date: Friday, September 19, 2014, 5:48 PM
> >
> >
> >      On 9/19/14 4:38 PM,
> >  Brent Shambaugh
> >        wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >        Manu Sporny's post titled "Building
> >  Linked Data into the Core
> >          of the Web"
> >
> >          [
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webpayments/2014Sep/0063.html]
> >          led to the question:
> >
> >
> >        is linked data and semantic web tech useful? I
> >  think so. I
> >          can only speak from my own perspective and
> >  experience.
> >
> >
> >
> >      Brent,
> >
> >
> >
> >      Pasting my reply to Manu (with some editing) here, as I
> >  think its
> >      important:
> >
> >
> >
> >      Manu,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      It is misleading (albeit inadvertent in regards to your
> >  post above)
> >      to infer that Linked Data isn't already the core of
> >  the Web. The
> >      absolute fact of the matter is that Linked Data has been
> >  the core of
> >      the Web since it was an idea [1][2].
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      The Web doesn't work at all if HTTP URIs aren't
> >  names for:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      [1] What exists on the Web
> >
> >
> >      [2] What exists, period.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      We just have the misfortune of poor communications
> >  mucking up proper
> >      comprehension of AWWW. For example, RDF should have been
> >  presented
> >      to the world as an effort by the W3C to standardize an
> >  existing
> >      aspect of the Web i.e., the ability to leverage HTTP
> >  URIs as
> >      mechanisms for:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      1. entity identification & naming
> >
> >
> >      2. entity description using sentences or statements --
> >  where (as is
> >      the case re., natural language) a sentence or statement
> >  is comprised
> >      of a subject, predicate, and object.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      Instead, we ended up with an incomprehensible,
> >  indefensible, and at
> >      best draconian narrative that has forever tainted the
> >  letters
> >      "R-D-F" .  And to compount matters,
> >  "HttpRange-14" has become
> >      censorship tool (based on its ridiculous history), that
> >  blurs fixing
> >      this horrible state of affairs.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      Links:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      [1] http://bit.ly/10Y9FL1
> >      -- Evidence that Linked Data was always at the core of
> >  the Web
> >      (excuse some instability on my personal data space
> >  instance, at this
> >      point in time, should you encounter issues looking up
> >  the document
> >      identified by this HTTP URI)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      [2]
> > http://kidehen.blogspot.com/2014/03/world-wide-web-25-years-later.html
> >      -- World Wide Web, 25 years later
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      [3]
> > http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/04/b4/79/04b4794ccf2b6fd14ed3c822be26382f.jpg
> >      -- Illustrating identification (naming) on the Web (re.,
> >  things that
> >      exist on or off the Web medium) .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      --
> >
> >
> >
> >      --
> >  Regards,
> >
> >  Kingsley Idehen
> >  Founder & CEO
> >  OpenLink Software
> >  Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
> >  Personal Weblog 1: http://kidehen.blogspot.com
> >  Personal Weblog 2: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
> >  Twitter Profile: https://twitter.com/kidehen
> >  Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/+KingsleyIdehen/about
> >  LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
> >  Personal WebID: http://kingsley.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen#this
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> Paul Houle
> Expert on Freebase, DBpedia, Hadoop and RDF
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