Re: Final CFP: In-Use Track ISWC 2013

Open annotation is great. Really powerful and well designed ontology and 
model. It doesn't replace fragment ids, however. Both are necessary:
frag ids to link with in simple use cases (e.g. HTML) and the other one 
to annotate properly.
A bridge between them would be nice.

All the best,
Sebastian

Am 02.05.2013 18:00, schrieb Paul Groth:
> Hi Sebastien,
>
> I use latex as well. Utopia is a pdf reader.
>
> But utopia does support referencing bits of the pdf. As I understand, 
> they are moving to extending the open annotation ontology. I've cc'd 
> Steve Pettifer who created Utopia and who will known the ins-and-outs.
>
> Currently, they store all the annotations separately.
>
> Thanks
> Paul
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Sebastian Hellmann 
> <hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de 
> <mailto:hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Paul,
>     personally for me latex works best, because it has good editors
>     and support for description logic formulas. Plus it is widely used
>     and quite good for PDF typesetting.
>
>     It would be really swell to be able to address content within PDF
>     with identifiers. Did Utopia solve that problem?
>
>     I am asking along the lines of
>     - mediafragments [1]
>     - RFC 5147 text fragment identifier (see the example at the bottom
>     of [2])
>     - xpointer/xpath [3]
>
>     If yes, I would like to use it immediately. There are plans to
>     convert the Google Mention corpus (which includes PDF's) to NIF [2] .
>     The PDF Open Parameters provided by [4] are way too simple.
>
>     All the best,
>     Sebastian
>
>     [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags/
>     [2] (example is at the bottom of .ttl file)
>     http://persistence.uni-leipzig.org/nlp2rdf/ontologies/nif-core
>     [3] e.g. http://example.com/exampledoc.html#xpath(/html/body
>     <http://example.com/exampledoc.html#xpath%28/html/body>[1]/h2[1]/span[1]/text()[1])
>     [4]
>     http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/en/acrobat/PDFOpenParameters.pdf#page=7
>
>     Am 02.05.2013 12:55, schrieb Paul Groth:
>>     Hi Sarven,
>>
>>     Beyond the PDF for me is moving beyond the current research
>>     communication system as highlighted by the Force 11 manifesto
>>     (http://www.force11.org/white_paper). This includes adopting
>>     technologies that augment/extend (i.e. go beyond) existing
>>     technologies. For example, making data easily accessible and
>>     citable, providing links to online content, making multiple
>>     perspectives on content available, exposing provenance, using
>>     altmetrics. I'm very influenced by the work on Utopia
>>     (http://utopiadocs.com) so that's why I think using pdfs are fine
>>     - you can do a lot with them as they stand - and for a certain
>>     form of communication (written long form text) they work well. As
>>     technologist we need to make sure that these new technologies
>>     work well in the environment and connect to other things.
>>
>>     cheers
>>     Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Sarven Capadisli
>>     <info@csarven.ca <mailto:info@csarven.ca>> wrote:
>>
>>         On 05/02/2013 12:23 PM, Paul Groth wrote:
>>
>>             I think Harry makes the point better than I can.
>>
>>
>>         Paul, I have one last question for you if you don't mind,
>>         because it seems like you are not interested in playing this
>>         out and I don't want to bother you further: what does "beyond
>>         the PDF" mean to you?
>>
>>         -Sarven
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl <mailto:p.t.groth@vu.nl>)
>>     http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/ <http://www.few.vu.nl/%7Epgroth/>
>>     Assistant Professor
>>     - Web & Media Group | Department of Computer Science
>>     - The Network Institute
>>     VU University Amsterdam
>
>
>     -- 
>     Dipl. Inf. Sebastian Hellmann
>     Department of Computer Science, University of Leipzig
>     Events: NLP & DBpedia 2013 (http://nlp-dbpedia2013.blogs.aksw.org,
>     Deadline: *July 8th*)
>     Venha para a Alemanha como PhD:
>     http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/csf
>     <http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/csf>
>     Projects: http://nlp2rdf.org , http://linguistics.okfn.org ,
>     http://dbpedia.org/Wiktionary , http://dbpedia.org
>     Homepage: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann
>     Research Group: http://aksw.org
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl <mailto:p.t.groth@vu.nl>)
> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/ <http://www.few.vu.nl/%7Epgroth/>
> Assistant Professor
> - Web & Media Group | Department of Computer Science
> - The Network Institute
> VU University Amsterdam


-- 
Dipl. Inf. Sebastian Hellmann
Department of Computer Science, University of Leipzig
Events: NLP & DBpedia 2013 (http://nlp-dbpedia2013.blogs.aksw.org, 
Deadline: *July 8th*)
Venha para a Alemanha como PhD: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/csf
Projects: http://nlp2rdf.org , http://linguistics.okfn.org , 
http://dbpedia.org/Wiktionary , http://dbpedia.org
Homepage: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann
Research Group: http://aksw.org