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Re: A Distributed Economy -- A blog involving Linked Data

From: ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <metadataportals@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 11:54:33 -0800 (PST)
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To: Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>
Cc: Michel Bauwens <michel@p2pfoundation.net>, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose@gmail.com>, "public-lod@w3.org" <public-lod@w3.org>, Paul Cockshott <william.cockshott@glasgow.ac.uk>
2013 will see the advent of new paradigms for infrastructures that up until now where centralized, i.e. electric power generation and distribution, intermodal transportation and logistics, food and agro-industrial production and distribution, industrial production and distribution, consumer products manufacturing and distribution, pharmaceuticals production and distribution, energy extraction and distribution (including coal, gas, shale oil/gas and biofuels).

The data and telecom infrastructure and parallel the banking and financial sectors are the only ones espousing decentralized distributed P2P (and B2B) processes.

Resilience is a property that can only be achieved by copying the structure of the internet and some of its inherent characteristics.

By defining strategic infrastructures as decentralized networks of distributed P2P (B2B) processes embedded in an intelligent grid it becomes possible to define resilience in a way similar to the resilience of the Internet.

And a resilient grid lends itself perfectly to embedding in a semantic web overlay grid.

The Industrial Internet as defined by GE and outlined in a recent white paper comes pretty close to it but not quite yet.

See http://www.gereports.com/meeting-of-minds-and-machines/.

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 From: Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>
To: ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <metadataportals@yahoo.com> 
Cc: Michel Bauwens <michel@p2pfoundation.net>; Samuel Rose <samuel.rose@gmail.com>; "public-lod@w3.org" <public-lod@w3.org>; Paul Cockshott <william.cockshott@glasgow.ac.uk> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: A Distributed Economy -- A blog involving Linked Data

Oh well, I'll share my story on a W3C forum no less.

Model, true. Would my experiences even translate? I think you'd have to see this from my own personal perspective. Even though I grew up in an American home there was a lot of discourse in my family. There wasn't a lot of room for personal expression, and my family was very religious so I was afraid of offending God if I went against the dominating figure and/or ideology in the family. I was also very shy growing up, and I did not have much money, even though I came from an upper middle class family. I felt out of place most of the time, and sometimes I had ideas that people did not seem to understand or be interested in. I liked computers, and wanted to learn more about them. I was always asking people doing computer stuff how to program, even though I had a lot of trouble doing it myself. I think it was because I struggled with algebra (and other maths), but more so algebra. I also was a bit lost in some documentation, and may have not been fully aware
 of other resources that may have helped. I was afraid of tinkering, but I built webpages and was proud of them and I also built structures in the woods (but that is a bit off topic). My family paid for my college. I'm thankful for that, but it also leaves me with a feeling of responsibility to them. I'll admit to not being in sync with things in my undergraduate years. It looks very good if you have an internship. But at the time I made a few mistakes perhaps. I was a bit afraid to try because the companies I qualified for either were not doing something that interested me and/or something that I felt reflected my beliefs, values and possibly something else that is hard to describe. In short, perhaps passion. Over time I realized that it would probably be wiser to accept things as is if I ever hoped to be employed. Making the sale was difficult though. I think perhaps people think I'm lazy, or uniformed, because I did not work (except for academic
 things) in college. Or was it emotion? Ideas out of place? I was also affected by many of the same family things growing up.

I have an interest in physics, electronics, economics, systems, etc. I think that if I ever hope to use my education, and share what I have learned, I need to do something amazing. I could go back to school, take on a lot of debt, and just hope that I get enough good grades to impress enough people (and not have them think I'd get bored when trying to get a job). Or I could learn things on my own, participate in projects, and hope that people receive me with open arms.

Since 2007 when I discovered Polywell nuclear fusion I've gained new perspective on the world. I never actually built a fusion reactor, but I did try to learn what was behind them. This motivated me to read lots of books, and my desire to do other things to explore my uniqueness as an individual led to even more books. GNU/Linux facilitated my graduate work, and I can relate to it's philosophy through my many frustrations. Open source is great, because I don't have to worry so much about my skills wasting away. Being at the university also helps. I also don't have to manufacture things or do anything special to have excitement about it.

But you know, how much can you actually get from someone who hasn't experienced that much real employment? Because of that automatically people see me in a certain way. And my views may not be necessarily realistic for lack of experience. But whatever it is, it seems I have have found a lot of energy and my friends seem to notice. I think about what I am learning more too.

But would this model help people in the real world? I feel that had it existed it could have helped me growing up, but that is my own personal experience. In addition to studying, a lot of my peers spent their time drinking beer, socializing, and playing and/or watching sports. And most seemed to have more money. Now most seem to have even more money, and spend time on Facebook talking about things they have bought or families that they are raising. Their educational level is hard to discern. Not many seem to be posting things about hacking, making or things that might suggest deep insight. But not everyone fits that.

I guess what matters is whether it will work or not, and whether it truly will benefit others. For that both an experiment and conversation will help. Thank you Samuel for referring me to Michael. Milton, I am not certain what it will do yet.

I am not certain what resilience truly means. I'm definitely bothered by the wastefulness brought upon by obsolescence of products. It would be much better I think if we knew how they worked so we could reuse the them (I'm saying the parts) in other things. We've had this problem at the hackerspace. We have lots of stuff around that if we had the blueprint, it would be much better. If we knew how this blueprint connected to other things I personally think that would be even better. 

On a separate issue. In graduate school there were people there that seemed really lost. I mean they were doing their work, but didn't seem to have a joy about it. There also was not a lot of organization, and it was hard to find things. 

Outside of school, there are people that I know could go to graduate school but didn't. It was frustrating to me that I could not seem to sell them on thinking more deeply about things, or when they said I was really smart (but did not have the confidence or belief that they could do it themselves). Still others just weren't there. I've seen those who weren't there at the hackerspace. I question why, and think the world would be a better place if this could be tapped into.


Roberto Verzola is to my mind the political economist who has done most in studying this, see http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Commons_Economics ; Wolfgang Hoeschele is planning an ambitious database based on a 
Needs, Organisational REsources, (I forgot what the A stands for)

I'm  sure that the proposed modelling effort will contribute to this field; if you are ideologically open, 
you may also want to talk with people like Paul Cockshott and the people of the Center for Transition Science at UNAM in Mexico City; who are 
very good at econometric modelling and interested in a cybernetic 
planning revival, "

I still have to think more about this. I was reading over it a bit today.

I might have seen something about this today. Someone was talking about how technologies were allowing us (or could? ) to become more mobile, and that people really didn't have to be co located. I don't remember what technologies that they were referring.

"Peer to peer processes in addition should be defined as geography 
independent, historically nomads, hunter gatherers and technomads in the
 modern age all show this to be true." 

I hope to write soon.

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm feeling that this is shaped by my own personal experience? I'm willing, but should I risk putting it out there?
Received on Wednesday, 9 January 2013 19:55:02 UTC

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