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Re: Pubs data

From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:12:01 -0500
Message-ID: <49B14B51.6050206@openlinksw.com>
To: Aldo Bucchi <aldo.bucchi@gmail.com>
CC: public-lod@w3.org, Story Henry <henry.story@bblfish.net>
Aldo Bucchi wrote:
> Hi All,
> My compliments to John on the Facebook Thread. That's a scary sight!
> I think the solution to this problem will probably come with Web of
> Trust and Identity.
> First off, the thought that I might someday be on the other side,
> fighting against an unfounded review, makes me think about the
> following twice.
> OTOH, We will always have people trying to silence free speech, as it
> the line is blurry by nature. I can even write something possitive
> that, taken out of context, seems negative.
> We need both: control and freedom. How can that be achieved?
> Let me touch on one possible extremist scenario.
> Remember Freenet?
> ( http://freenetproject.org/ )
> They go to the extreme of blurring the identity of the author and
> physical location of bits of information. This pretty much prevents
> censorship from being applied ( even when it is right to do so ).
> Now, I wonder if RDF as is might be used to build something like this
> using P2P architectures, or simple mirrors, or bots. It seems that
> from a tech POV it would be easy since the only thing moving around is
> the bit of data.
> Of course this is not a solution either. We do want control to be applicable.
> The ideal solution is more in the lines of:
> 1) Attach identity to the review ( so people take responsibility for
> what they say ). Free speech as in freedom, not in free
> 2) Provide voting mechanisms that also attach identity
> 3) This makes a review more or less discoverable by whoever consumes the service
> Just throwing in some elements into the discussion
> Thanks,
> A

Nice points.

I've always seen the Web as a "Discourse Discovery & Participation" 
platform, of the very open variety.

We live in an inherent duality, so the medium simply needs to reflect 
this by allowing clearly identified discourse participants.

I think we are looking at Linked Data driven Discussion Data Spaces that 
are bolstered by the likes of  FOAF+SSL, OpenID etc..

Note, there are discourse oriented ontologies out in the field [1]. 
These can be meshed with Discussion Space containers in SIOC.

I am also trying to get the DebateGraph folks in on the act (this mail 
is also a deliberate attempt to eek out comments from them :-) ).

Web hosted Discourse is now getting due attention, finally!


1. http://www.tecweb.inf.puc-rio.br/ontologies/kuaba - Daniel Schwabe 
and his team

> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:38 AM, John Goodwin
> <John.Goodwin@ordnancesurvey.co.uk> wrote:
>> Thanks Tom. I think I've managed to calm them down now :)
>> I decided to take the pubs linked data because:
>> 1) The reviews were not actually my own (I'd never visited the pub that
>> caused the trouble) and reading some of the other reviews I realised
>> that (while amusing) they could easily have been taken the wrong way. I
>> figured it was probably not great having my name associated with reviews
>> I didn't write. My site was static and unlike revyu there was no way for
>> people to write counter reviews.
>> 2) I mainly did it as an experiment to try the whole linked data thing
>> on an amateur level. I think things have moved on since I started it -
>> the site was pretty primitive.
>> 3) Southampton locals with burning torches and pitchforks angry their
>> favourite pub was given a bad review is not a pretty site :)
>> John
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: tzh@talisplatform.com [mailto:tzh@talisplatform.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Tom Heath
>>> Sent: 06 March 2009 14:26
>>> To: Kingsley Idehen
>>> Cc: John Goodwin; public-lod@w3.org
>>> Subject: Re: Pubs data
>>> Hi Kingsley, Hi John,
>>> First off, sympathies John for the roasting on Facebook - not
>>> a nice experience I'm sure.
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