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Re: Contd LOD Data Sets, Licensing, and AWS

From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:40:38 -0400
Message-ID: <4A427326.8000604@openlinksw.com>
To: Leigh Dodds <leigh.dodds@talis.com>
CC: Ian Davis <lists@iandavis.com>, public-lod@w3.org
Leigh Dodds wrote:
> Hi,
>
> 2009/6/24 Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>:
>   
>> Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>>     
>>> Leigh Dodds wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> 2009/6/24 Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> To save time etc..
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the URI of a license that effectively enables data publishers to
>>>>> express and enforce how they are attributed? Whatever that is I am happy
>>>>> with. Whatever that is will be vital to attracting curators of high
>>>>> quality
>>>>> data to the LOD fold.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have a an example URI even better.
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> You can chose from several at http://www.opendatacommons.org/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Take a look at Freebase, and how they are effectively doing what I
>>>>> espouse.
>>>>> Google uses Freebase URIs, and they attribute by URI.
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> I have. I've read the licensing, terms and policies of a number of
>>>> different websites.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> I see Freebase using CC-BY-SA to effectively propagate their URIs. I
>>>>> also
>>>>> see all consumers of Freebase URIs honoring the terms without any
>>>>> issues.
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> Really? I'm not trying to be unfair, but where on:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> You're not being unfair. We are trying to get to the bottom of something
>>> that really important.
>>>       
>>>> http://lod.openlinksw.com/
>>>>
>>>> Or
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://lod.openlinksw.com/describe/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffreebase.com%2Fguid%2F9202a8c04000641f80000000083d84dd
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> The URIs are in full view. Use a Linked Data Aware user agent against the
>>> URIs and you end up in the originating Freebase Data Space. This is my
>>> fundamental point re. preservation of original URIs.
>>>       
>
> The fact that the URIs are in full view accords with your view as URI
> as sole means of attribution, but its irrelevant as far as the
> Freebase terms goes. Where's the text, logo, etc that they're asking
> for? Thats how the rights holder is asking to be attributed.
>   
I stand by my position, we are adhering to their terms.
What they seek is de-referencable via their URIs which remain in scope 
at both the data presentation and representation layers.

I am sure Jamie and the folks at Freebase are party to this conversation 
and would chime in should we be violating the terms of their license etc..


> re: specific ODC license. I think the ODBL license does what you want.
> Or PDDL with specified community norms.
>   
ODBL license URI please.

Kingsley
> Cheers,
>
> L.
>
>   


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Regards,

Kingsley Idehen	      Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
President & CEO 
OpenLink Software     Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
Received on Wednesday, 24 June 2009 18:41:21 UTC

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