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RE: "Real OWL" on the Web

From: John Goodwin <John.Goodwin@ordnancesurvey.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:38:34 +0100
Message-ID: <D72AF46149B1D74FBC8CD7090ED2446BC4989B@EMAIL.ordsvy.gov.uk>
To: "Mark Wallace" <mwallace@3SigmaResearch.com>, <semantic-web@w3.org>, <public-lod@w3.org>

Just cross posting to LOD list for a moment..

Mark this doesn't quite answer you're question, but I was thinking about
how to publish (large) ontologies on the web in a linked data stylee. I
blogged:

http://johngoodwin225.wordpress.com/2009/04/01/linked-ontology-web/

I short I was looking at publishing OWL ontologies with de-referencable
URIs, and using some of the ontology modularisation work to split the
OWL ontologies into manageable chunks...sort of creating the OWL
equivalent of a SPARQL describe.

Would be interested to know if anyone has published anything
similar...or indeed if I am talking complete nonsense :)

I think Clark & Parsia published something similar (so Kendall tells
me)...

John



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: semantic-web-request@w3.org 
> [mailto:semantic-web-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Mark Wallace
> Sent: 15 April 2009 14:06
> To: Dan Brickley
> Cc: Semantic Web at W3C
> Subject: Re: "Real OWL" on the Web
> 
> Hi Dan,
> 
> Good point about the OWL in FOAF.  Also, as I feared my 
> language may be inflammatory in a way I did not intend. 
> 
> You mention that "how you compute with that data is a 
> pragmatic choice", and I agree.  I guess the heart of my 
> question is more about the processing than the language.  I 
> guess I am looking for examples of systems out there that are 
> using the OWL distributed around the web for significant 
> DL-reasoning.  Do such systems crawl or use seeAlso?  
> Examples using RDFS reasoning would also be similarly interesting.  
> Again, they may well be there and I am just unaware of them.  
> Thus the question.  :-)
> 
>  -Mark
> 
> Dan Brickley wrote:
> > On 15/4/09 14:41, Mark Wallace wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> In my experience (it may be too limited) I see a lot of 
> "real RDF" on 
> >> the web, especially in things like FOAF, and Dbpedia. But I am not 
> >> aware of much "real OWL" on the web, and by this I mean OWL-DL 
> >> ontologies and knowledge bases, embedded in web pages, and systems 
> >> that reason over such information. Now I know many folks 
> are hosting 
> >> ontologies at HTTP URLs. This is not what I am talking about. I am 
> >> thinking more of OWL-DL statements out there like FOAF is now, and 
> >> systems that crawl (?) and reason over the combined knowledge.
> >
> > A quick comment -
> > Whenever people do identity reasoning with FOAF data (eg. Sindice,
> > Garlik/Qdos) this is reasoning using properties like foaf:homepage, 
> > foaf:mbox etc whose semantics are documented using (real!) OWL.
> > Whether or not a general purpose OWL inference engine is used at 
> > runtime is pretty secondary. OWL is a data formats 
> standard, just as 
> > RDF is - how you compute with that data is a pragmatic choice. Any 
> > vocabulary or dataset (eg. DOAP, SIOC) that is mixed up 
> with FOAF in 
> > terms of linked classes and properties, is also partially 
> documented 
> > using OWL. So I guess I disagree with any attempt to contrast "real 
> > world" FOAF / RDF deployment with "non-real" OWL 
> deployment. Or with 
> > the idea that the only real OWL work is OWL-DL...
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > --
> > http://danbri.org/
> >
> 
> 
.


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