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Re: Question about MARCXML to Models transformation

From: Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 14:25:38 -0800
Message-ID: <20110308142538.977174hbo3vfq9cy@kcoyle.net>
To: Ross Singer <ross.singer@talis.com>
Cc: public-lld@w3.org
Quoting Ross Singer <ross.singer@talis.com>:

> The LC FRBR Display Tool (
> http://www.loc.gov/marc/marc-functional-analysis/tool.html#table) only
> mentions record type and publication language, but surely this isn't enough,
> right?  This: http://lccn.loc.gov/74194328 isn't describing the same
> expression as this: http://lccn.loc.gov/97813632, correct?

That's where my bugaboo about the dependency shows up. You can't ever  
JUST look at the Expression, you always have to take into account the  
Expression+Work combination. Otherwise, we'd have half the library  
universe connected to a single expression for an English-language  
text. Expressions on their own are not meaningful. (And Manifestations  
on their own are only minimally meaningful.)


> -Ross.
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Richard Light  
> <richard@light.demon.co.uk>wrote:
>> In message
>> <52E301F960B30049ADEFBCCF1CCAEF590BBB715A@OAEXCH4SERVER.oa.oclc.org>,
>> "Young,Jeff (OR)" <jyoung@oclc.org> writes
>>> Inferencing aside, having half the story for an Expression or Work is
>>> still enough to justify identifying these individuals. I wouldn't
>>> consider them any less "real" than their fully described counterparts.
>>> UUIDs are free. This allows downstream agents to assert owl:sameAs with
>>> another individual and thus fill in more of the story on both sides.
>>> (As mere mortals, we'll never ever have "the full story" on anything.)
>> I've been meaning to contribute to this thread for a few days now ...
>> I strongly agree with the thought that an entity can be given a URL, and
>> thereby you can finesse the need for the "concept is the sum of its
>> properties" approach. We will have many similar cases in the museum
>> world, where information about an entity of interest (person, place,
>> event, ...) will be incomplete, or uncertain, or both. This shouldn't
>> stop us from asserting what we _do_ know (or believe).
>> As a matter of interest, where does FRBRoo
>> (http://www.cidoc-crm.org/frbr_inro.html) come into this discussion?
>> Richard
>> --
>> Richard Light
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