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Re: Example of Atom publication using LDP

From: Pierre-Antoine Champin <pierre-antoine.champin@liris.cnrs.fr>
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 17:41:14 +0100
Message-ID: <CA+OuRR8h=KeGFsg_4VJ5C50GtkM+imEUzAr8-2VhU2iWVtVhrA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net>
Cc: "Wilde, Erik" <Erik.Wilde@emc.com>, "public-ldp-wg@w3.org" <public-ldp-wg@w3.org>
Henry,


On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net>wrote:
> (...)

> >> HTTP/1.1 201 Created
> >> Content-Type: text/turtle
> >
> > i'd prefer to expose what we're doing on the uniform interface level by
> > using application/ldp+turtle, but i know this is controversial.
> >
> > [[ as a side note, http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6839 was published
> today
> > and maybe somebody would be interested to make popular RDF syntaxes
> > visible at that level, registering at least +rdfxml and +turtle and maybe
> > others as well. ]]
> >
> > as an alternative, i'd propose text/turtle;profile=http://w3.org/ldp so
> > that we have our protocol represented somehow, but even this would
> require
> > for the turtle media type to support profiles (which it currently
> doesn't).
>
> yes, as I argued below this is very bad. It just won't work with RDF which
> is syntax agnostic. It worked just about in Atom/XML because what was being
> done there was so limited. But that was just a hack to tell the truth,
> because at the time XML was god, and the idea of another syntax was
> anathema.
> Since then JSON has grown, and people have come to accept that different
> syntaxes are good at different things.
>

I have to strongly disagree with you. I think the 'profile' thing is very
nice, especially because it is (concrete) syntax agnostic, hence well fit
to RDF. Indeed, the same profile URI could be used with different RDF
formats:

  text/turtle;profile=http://w3.org/ldp
  application/rdf+xml;profile=http://w3.org/ldp
  text/n-triple;profile=http://w3.org/ldp

and mean exactly the same thing, namely something in the line of

  The conveyed graph must contain a triple of the form  <> rdf:type X,
  where X is one of the classes defined in the LDP ontology;
  if X is ldp:Container, <> MUST have the following properties: ...
  if X is ldp:Resource, <> MUST have the following properties: ...

Whether those constraint are syntactical (i.e. the required triples must
actually *be* there) or semantic (i.e. the required triples may be merely
inferred) is another question, although I think the profile should
specified which inference regime should be used to interpret the content.

  pa

PS: I know that the media types above do not currently support the
'profile' parameter. On the other hand, the RDF working group is still
active (well, will be if its extension request is accepted :-/), so it's
the perfect time to suggest this change. I noticed that, for a start,
JSON-LD already just adopted it <
http://json-ld.org/minutes/2013-01-29/#resolution-3>.
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