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Re: IRIs and bidi

From: Jony Rosenne <rosennej@qsm.co.il>
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:35:02 +0200
To: "Unicore" <unicore@unicode.org>, <public-iri@w3.org>
Message-ID: <001801c3ecd7$9361cd90$0401c80a@QSM4>

Martin,

The point is that I disagree with "the overall LTR direction required for
IRIs". In an RTL environment, be it Hebrew or Arabic or any other RTL
script, RTL IRIs should be allowed.

You are right, I meant:

	MISM/LI.LSMM.RZVA://PTTH

Since it is entirely RTL, in an RTL environment I would just type it in
plain logical order.

A person or a child who only knows his own language should be able to use
the internet, even if his native script is Hebrew or Arabic. We have many
people here who cannot read English, and I'm certain the same is true for
the Arab countries, Iran and Pakistan.

Jony

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Duerst [mailto:duerst@w3.org] 
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 6:40 PM
> To: Jony Rosenne; public-iri@w3.org
> Subject: RE: [bidi] Re: IRIs and bidi: Addition regarding 
> higher-level protocols
> 
> 
> Hello Jony,
> 
> At 09:49 04/02/06 +0200, Jony Rosenne wrote:
>  > Once we have internationalized TLDs, it it is conceivable, 
> desirable and  > unavoidable to have RTL bidi IRIs.
> 
> The rest of your mail didn't show up on my (Japanese) mailer.
> I went to the archive at 
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-iri/2004Feb/0002.ht
ml
to look at it.

Using the usual 'upper-case for RTL' notation, what I saw was (in a very
crude transliteration):

LI.LSMM.DZVA/MISM://PTTH

I can only identify the first and the last component, which
I think got placed right. The rest got messed up in my opinion. Following
the IRI spec, it should look like:

     MISM/LI.LSMM.DZVA//:PTTH

This is based on the assumption that '/', '.', and ':' are all weak, and
that even the overall LTR direction required for IRIs doesn't affect the
total reordering if everything is RTL.

Could you please clarify how you input this example, and how
it shows up at your end, or how you think it should show up?

The above example of course is currently not allowed, and
would have to be rewritten to show up as:

    http://MISM/LI.LSMM.DZVA


Regards,   Martin.
Received on Friday, 6 February 2004 12:36:05 UTC

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