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Draft minutes for IndieUI call on 19 September 2012

From: Dominic Mazzoni <dmazzoni@google.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:21:00 -0700
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          Independent User Interface Task Force Teleconference

19 Sep 2012

   See also: [2]IRC log

      [2] http://www.w3.org/2012/09/19-indie-ui-irc


          Katie_Haritos-Shea, Dominic, jcraig, Janina,
          James_Craig, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Andy_Heath, Cooper




     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]Admin Update: Repository; Tracker; Editor's Draft;
         2. [5]admin: Polling for Telecon Time?
         3. [6]admin: WAI IndieUI WG Telecon on 10 October
         4. [7]Capturing Decisions from Use Cases Walkthrough
         5. [8]ISO Liaison
         6. [9]Access4All 3
     * [10]Summary of Action Items

   <trackbot> Date: 19 September 2012

   <janina> Meeting: IndieUI Task Force telecon

   <andy> trying to get on - I hate this sip client

   <janina> Andy, talk with me off line about sip clients.

   <scribe> scribe: dmazzoni

Admin Update: Repository; Tracker; Editor's Draft; TPAC

   JES: top item - Michael, any news on the repository and
   tracker, any bugs?

   MC: everything's working

   JES: James, any update on the drafts?

   JC: Checked in. Not at a point where I need feedback, but
   always welcome of course.

   MC: I'm not seeing them in Mercurial? Nevermind, looks like my

admin: Polling for Telecon Time?

   JS: any questions, comments, anyone? Next topic

   <jcraig> FYI, this Mercurial tutorial by Joel Spolsky is
   especially useful [11]http://hginit.com

     [11] http://hginit.com/

   JS: We planned to canvas task force participants to see if
   there's a better time for this meeting to accomodate Asia and
   Australia at least sometimes

   <MichaelC> [12]Meeting time poll

     [12] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/54997/2012_meetings/

   JS: I think we can announce it in email, but Michael can also
   post it to IRC
   ... Any questions on this poll?
   ... There are two W3C working groups that constitute this task
   force. The other one is Web Events. From the web accessibility
   side, we formed a new working group there.
   ... The Indie UI task force is made up of members of the WAI
   Indie UI working group and Web Events.

   JC: So some people who participate on these calls are not
   members of the WAI Indie UI working group?

   JS: Correct, they might be members of Web Events

   MC: The intellectual property belongs to the Indie UI working
   group. Web Events considers that overlaps its charter.

   JS: An organizational telecon for members of the WAI Indie UI
   working group (which isn't everyone) will meet on Oct 10. This
   shouldn't happen very often. However, if there are
   disagreements it's possible for that group to caucus on its
   own. When there's consensus there shouldn't be much need for

   JC: What about meeting time at TPAC?

   JS: Not planning on it, but planning for the task force to

admin: WAI IndieUI WG Telecon on 10 October

Capturing Decisions from Use Cases Walkthrough

   JS: So, how to we want to capture this list of features / items
   that we want to develop specifications for, other than going
   through the minutes? Brainstorm?
   ... Michael and I developed 4 specific ideas that might be a
   good starting point.

   MC: Just a second...
   ... 1. wiki scratchpad, 2. copy spec into the wiki, allow
   editing, 3. allow members to edit branches in Hg, 4. find a
   tool that tracks resolutions

   <MichaelC> perhaps a wiki scratchpad of features

   <MichaelC> or copy of spec in wiki to edit as proposals

   <MichaelC> or have members edit Mercurial branches to make

   <MichaelC> or track resolutions

   MC: to clarify 4, track "RESOLUTION" in IRC meeting logs to
   track what we decided

   AH: is the only difference the output?

   MC: clarifies some differences about the processes

   JC: my preference would be to track resolutions and issues and
   ... If things are not controversial, the editor can just add
   them, otherwise we can discuss

   <andy> `zakim, q+ andy

   JC: I also like the Mercurial idea for later, after the edits
   have settled a bit

   <MichaelC> ack

   AH: expresses agreement

   <andy> zakiim, q+ andy

   MC: the wiki can still be a place to make proposals, then the
   editor can copy to trunk

   <andy> just q_ then ?

   <andy> oops

   <Zakim> jcraig, you wanted to discuss using wiki pages for
   individual issues, rather than whole spec edits

   JC: I propose we keep wiki pages to one page per issue / change
   proposal, as opposed to having one giant wiki page - too hard
   to track otherwise

   JS: sounds reasonable
   ... are we confident that everything is captured in either the
   spec or a tracker?

   <clown> [13]https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/open

     [13] https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/open

   JC: just actions in the tracker so far, what about ideas for
   ideas from one from Andy, one from Joseph

   JS: we need to track everything, stop relying on our memories

   <jcraig> ACTION: jcraig to incorporate Andy Heath's proposal
   into User Context spec [recorded in

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-11 - Incorporate Andy Heath's
   proposal into User Context spec [on James Craig - due

   AH: credit Rich with that proposal as well

   <jcraig> ACTION: jcraig to incorporate group change proposal
   (sent in and formatted by Joseph) [recorded in

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Incorporate group change
   proposal (sent in and formatted by Joseph) [on James Craig -
   due 2012-09-26].

   JC: Should we use a public tracker? This tracker requires a W3C
   ... Should be sufficient if the public can view, not edit

   JS: And we have email to capture comments from anyone

   <MichaelC> the IndieUI tracker is in public space and doesn't
   require account to view

   <MichaelC> does require to edit (since you have to be member of

ISO Liaison

   <clown> "Global Public Inclusive Infrastructure"

   <clown> [16]http://gpii.net

     [16] http://gpii.net/

   AH: I've been asked to liase between GPII and this group
   ... Building a registry that anyone can use. The preferences
   that Rich and I proposed are going into that registry.
   ... ISO SC36 (?) is standardizing the registry. There may be
   terms coming out of this group that could go into this registry
   ... ISO SC35 (user interfaces) also includes accessibility; the
   world wants one standard so I hope we can harmonize

   JS: ISO SC36?

   AH: ISO SC36 is for learning and education, historically - but
   not education-specific

   Joseph: what exactly goes in the registry?

   AH: an example term that might go in the registry is "visual"
   ... doesn't distinguish between needs and preferences. I'll
   point everyone to the wiki

   JS: What is a liaison? Should we nominate one to SC36?

   <jcraig> Andy/Rich proposal (DOCX) archived here:

     [17] http://www.w3.org/mid/501A402B.3080705@axelrod.plus.com

   JS: (restating AH): so, raise flag when they notice an
   inconsistency between proposals in the two groups

Access4All 3

   AH: one last announcement: access4all 3 is out

   <clown> [18]http://imsglobal.org/accessibility/#afav3

     [18] http://imsglobal.org/accessibility/#afav3

   <clown> ?

   JS: thanks. we didn't get to use cases, but we will next time.

   Zakim: bye

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: jcraig to incorporate Andy Heath's proposal into
   User Context spec [recorded in
   [NEW] ACTION: jcraig to incorporate group change proposal (sent
   in and formatted by Joseph) [recorded in

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