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I18N ITS IG minutes 2008-09-02

From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:46:25 +0900
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Felix


   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                              i18n ITS IG

02 Sep 2008

   [2]Agenda

      [2] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2008Aug/0014.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-i18nits-irc

Attendees

   Present
          YvesS, Felix, Syd, Ingo, camille

   Regrets
          Christian

   Chair
          Yves

   Scribe
          Felix

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]ITS-oriented reviews of XML specifications
         2. [6]ITS Rules repository
         3. [7]ITS Processor API
         4. [8]ITS Processor with XSLT
         5. [9]ITS General issues
         6. [10]ITS Streaming processor
         7. [11]AOB
         8. [12]Teleconference time
     * [13]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________

ITS-oriented reviews of XML specifications

   Felix to look into XSD 1.1

   Felix: general extensibilty in XSD 1.1 as in 1.0, no need for
   specific ITS declarations

   Felix to bring Atom case to i18n core and back to IETF back, also
   done (at least the i18n core part)

   Yves to look at UIML (Oasis), not done yet

   Rodolfo to look at XUL, no update on this

   [14]http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-skos-reference-20080829/

     [14] http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-skos-reference-20080829/

   SKOS Simple Knowledge Organization System Reference

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to look at SKOS LC draft [recorded in
   [15]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-79 - Look at SKOS LC draft [on Yves
   Savourel - due 2008-09-09].

   Felix: no need to look into POWDER, I think

   <camille> i SOrry I'm late

   <YvesS>
   [16]http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/PR-pronunciation-lexicon-20080818/

     [16] http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/PR-pronunciation-lexicon-20080818/

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to review PLS PR draft [recorded in
   [17]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-80 - Review PLS PR draft [on Felix Sasaki
   - due 2008-09-09].

   Yves: outside W3C specs, any ideas? Nothing new it seems

ITS Rules repository

   <YvesS> [18]http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/OOXML10

     [18] http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/OOXML10

   Yves: if you have any rules for a format, even a simple example,
   please contribute

   Felix: proposal to link to rules from BP document

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to add a link to the rules repositoriy to the
   BP document and the test suite [recorded in
   [19]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-81 - Add a link to the rules repositoriy
   to the BP document and the test suite [on Yves Savourel - due
   2008-09-09].

ITS Processor API

   <YvesS>
   [20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2008Jun/0
   014.html

     [20] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2008Jun/0014.html

   Felix: currently looking into the backtracking of the API

   Yves: looking into it too again

ITS Processor with XSLT

   Felix to look into XPath expressivity in SAX engine of saxon

   Felix: need feedback from Rodolfo on what part of Saxon he talked
   about

   Rodolfo to try look at the xslt decorator, also pending

   [21]http://www.w3.org/International/its/its-translate-decorator/02/i
   ts-translate-decorator-02.zip

     [21] 
http://www.w3.org/International/its/its-translate-decorator/02/its-translate-decorator-02.zip

   Felix: version above is in XSLT 1.0, please have a look if you can
   use it

   <scribe> ACTION: Everybody to try XSLT 1.0 decorator at
   [22]http://www.w3.org/International/its/its-translate-decorator/02/i
   ts-translate-decorator-02.zip [recorded in
   [23]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]

     [22] 
http://www.w3.org/International/its/its-translate-decorator/02/its-translate-decorator-02.zip

ITS General issues

   "Ingo to put together a use case for the local "Elements within
   Text" usage"

   Ingo: thought about it, best use case was streaming processor
   without XPath rules
   ... I had another action item about context support in ITS
   ... for TM matching, if you have context, you could use them for
   matching
   ... you could also give context to the translator

   Yves: what is context
   ... element with content in a document?

   Ingo: when translating it would be useful to see the context
   ... they might have the same context across documents

   Yves: could you post a mail explaining that?

   Ingo: yes

   <scribe> ACTION: Ingo to post a mail about context of ITS
   information [recorded in
   [24]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]

   <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Ingo

   Ingo: for "Elements within Text" I don't see a use case local, only
   with streaming
   ... if you don't use XPath

   Yves: could you explain that in a mail as well?

   Ingo: yes

   <scribe> ACTION: Ingo to explain "Elements within Text" local
   streaming issue [recorded in
   [25]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]

   <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Ingo

   Yves: another issue with taking the source from one place and
   putting it into another place

ITS Streaming processor

   Yves: anything new here? Basic problem is that for streaming you
   would need some simplified version of XPath
   ... as soon as you have relative expressions you can go everywhere,
   which is difficult for streaming

   <scribe> .. no progress here

   Yves: I'll see if we can get feedback from Jirka or others

AOB

   Ingo: for "elements within text", what is if there are other
   elements, do they inherit from their parent element "within text"?

   Yves: no, they would not inherit

   Ingo: so e.g. emphasis would not inherit from strong?

   Yves: yes

   Ingo: even if strong is within text "yes"?

   Yves: yes

   Ingo: spec was a bit unclear about that in 6.8.1

   [26]http://www.w3.org/TR/its/#within-text-definition

     [26] http://www.w3.org/TR/its/#within-text-definition

   "The element and its content are part of the flow of its parent
   element.". Content could be child elements as well

   Yves: yes a bit unclear. But answer is "no", it applies just to text
   content. But yes this is unclear

   Ingo: will there be a certification program for ITS tools?

   Yves: no, we encourage people to use the tests

Teleconference time

   Now talking about teleconference time

   everybody on the call is fine, but though for people in Australia

   We will make the change, from now on our call is regulary like today

   Yves: yes
   ... next call September 23rd

   Ingo: regrets for that one

   adjourned

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Everybody to try XSLT 1.0 decorator at
   [27]http://www.w3.org/International/its/its-translate-decorator/02/i
   ts-translate-decorator-02.zip [recorded in
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
   [NEW] ACTION: Felix to review PLS PR draft [recorded in
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: Ingo to explain "Elements within Text" local streaming
   issue [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]
   [NEW] ACTION: Ingo to post a mail about context of ITS information
   [recorded in
   [31]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]
   [NEW] ACTION: Yves to add a link to the rules repositoriy to the BP
   document and the test suite [recorded in
   [32]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
   [NEW] ACTION: Yves to look at SKOS LC draft [recorded in
   [33]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]

     [27] 
http://www.w3.org/International/its/its-translate-decorator/02/its-translate-decorator-02.zip

   [End of minutes]
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