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Re: Comments on SVG Tiny 1.2 (ISSUE-2165)

From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:44:28 +0900
Message-ID: <4906ED0C.6010302@w3.org>
To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
CC: www-svg@w3.org, "public-i18n-its-ig@w3.org" <public-i18n-its-ig@w3.org>

Hi Doug,

thanks a lot! Could you do just a minor change:

<its:translateRule selector="//svg:svg"

to

<its:translateRule selector="//svg:*"

Otherwise I'm fine with the section. Thank you very much!

Felix


Doug Schepers さんは書きました:
> Hi, Felix-
>
> Thanks for your comment.  As requested, we've added a section discussing
> ITS markup in SVG [1], and will work with you on a schema for it.
>
> Please let us know if this satisfies your comment.
>
> [1] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/i18n.html#SVGi18nl10nmarkup
>
> Regards-
> -Doug
>
> Felix Sasaki wrote (on 10/10/08 5:45 PM):
>   
>> Hello Doug, all,
>>
>> this is a very late follow up on the ITS Working Group comment on SVG
>> Tiny 1.2 . I have worked on my action item to provide a section
>> describing the usages of ITS 1.0 in SVG Tiny 1.2. See the attached PDF.
>> Please let me know if you agree with this draft or need modifications.
>> After we have reached consensus on the text I will make a proposal for a
>> modified schema (it shouldn't be to many changes).
>>
>> Note that this is currently no official comment by the ITS Interest
>> Group, but a personal comment / follow up which I am making to meet your
>> last call deadline.
>>
>> Regards, Felix.
>>
>>
>> Felix Sasaki さんは書きました:
>>     
>>> Hi Doug, all,
>>>
>>> thank you very much for this positive feedback. I will create a draft
>>> of a subsection of
>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/i18n.html
>>> and a proposal for the modification of the SVG Tiny schema.
>>> Do you edit SVG Tiny in (X)HTML or do you have an XML source? Feel
>>> free to answer this question offline.
>>>
>>> Felix
>>>
>>> Doug Schepers wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Hi, Felix-
>>>>
>>>> The SVG WG is happy to work with you on this.  We apologize for the
>>>> delay in getting back to you, but we wanted to sufficiently review
>>>> the spec.
>>>>
>>>> We believe that ITS should be available for all 'text content'
>>>> elements [1], which in SVG 1.2 Tiny are 'text', 'tspan' and
>>>> 'textArea'; for SVG Full, this will include 'textPath' (and possibly
>>>> others TBD).  We also agree that it's appropriate for 'title',
>>>> 'desc', and sometimes 'metadata'.   An interesting question is
>>>> whether it is needed for 'script' elements; in many cases, there are
>>>> strings in script that should be translated, but the great majority
>>>> of script should not.
>>>>
>>>> We will provide you with more feedback once you finish the first draft.
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-SVGMobile12-20051207/intro.html#TermTextContentElement
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards-
>>>> -Doug Schepers
>>>> W3C Team Contact, SVG, CDF, and WebAPI
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Felix Sasaki wrote (on 2/26/08 6:20 PM):
>>>>         
>>>>> ACTION-54
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear SVG Working Group,
>>>>>
>>>>> these are comments on SVG Tiny 1.2. They propose *non-normative
>>>>> changes*
>>>>> to SVG Tiny 1.2 and are is sent on behalf of the i18n ITS Working
>>>>> Group.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) We would like to ask you to add ITS 1.0 local markup to the content
>>>>> model of the metadata, text, desc, title and tspan elements. Local ITS
>>>>> markup is defined within the ITS 1.0 specification at
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/its/#att.local.with-ns.attributes
>>>>> the "Best Practices for XML Internationalization" document contains
>>>>> many
>>>>> examples of the usage of this markup.
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-i18n-bp/
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) We would like you to provide the following ITS global rules file for
>>>>> SVG Tiny 1.2:
>>>>> <its:rules xmlns:its="http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its" version="1.0"
>>>>> xmlns:svg="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg">
>>>>> <its:translateRule selector="//svg:svg" translate="no"/>
>>>>> <its:translateRule selector="//svg:metadata | //svg:text | //svg:desc |
>>>>> //svg:title | //svg:tspan" translate="yes"/>
>>>>> </its:rules>
>>>>>
>>>>> Global ITS markup (the its:rules element) is defined within the ITS 1.0
>>>>> specification at
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/its/#rules
>>>>> The its:translateRule element is defined at
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/its/#translateRule
>>>>> The its:translateRule elements above mean that the default for all
>>>>> elements from the SVG namespace is that they are not translatable
>>>>> (first
>>>>> its:translateRule), with the exception of 5 elements (second
>>>>> its:translateRule).
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) We propose to add a non-normative section to SVG Tiny 1.2 explaining
>>>>> 1). 2), e.g. as part of the appendix
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/CR-SVGMobile12-20060810/i18n.html
>>>>> We will create an initial version of this section if you agree with the
>>>>> comments in general.
>>>>>
>>>>> The rationale for these comments is that we think the standardized
>>>>> markup for internationalization and localization purposes provided by
>>>>> ITS 1.0 is useful for the internationalization and localization of SVG
>>>>> Tiny 1.2, and users and developers of SVG Tiny applications should be
>>>>> made aware of these possibilities within the specification itself.
>>>>> Note that the ITS 1.0 markup would not influence SVG specific
>>>>> processing,
>>>>> following your definitions at
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/CR-SVGMobile12-20060810/extend.html#ForeignNamespacesPrivateData
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Felix
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>
>   
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