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RE: [HTML5] i18n comment 1: Rendering bidi without a style sheet

From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:04:14 -0000
To: "'Martin Duerst'" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>, <public-i18n-core@w3.org>
Message-ID: <006d01c87d26$b375a500$1a60ef00$@org>

Hi Martin,

Thanks for the comments.  I have already fixed the backslash problem, but
unfortunately did so after sending these comments.  It was one of those
things that wasn't critical and I never had time to look into.  But I
decided to finally make some time on Friday.

I gave some thought to the quoting idea, but in some comments we use quotes
in more than one place in the comment, so separating them seems to offer
equal opportunity for confusion.  (In the HTML, of course,  they are tagged
and styled differently.)


Richard Ishida
Internationalization Lead
W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Duerst [mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp]
> Sent: 01 March 2008 05:19
> To: ishida@w3.org; public-i18n-core@w3.org
> Subject: Re: [HTML5] i18n comment 1: Rendering bidi without a style sheet
> Hello Richard,
> Just a comment about the comments:
> At 01:13 08/03/01, ishida@w3.org wrote:
> >
> >Comment from the i18n review of:
> >http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/
> >
> >Comment 1
> >At http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/0802-html5/
> >Editorial/substantive: S
> >Tracked by: RI
> >
> >Location in reviewed document:
> >3.4.4 [http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/#the-dir]
> >
> >Comment:
> >\"The processing of this attribute depends on the presentation layer. For
> >example, CSS 2.1 defines a mapping from this attribute to the CSS
> >\'direction\' and \'unicode-bidi\' properties, and defines rendering in
> >terms of those properties.\"
> Reading the quote here is confusing. First, there seem to be some escaping
> problems (all these \' and \" instead of just ' and ").
> But what's more important, it says "Comment", but actually is a quote.
> Given that the other data fields are so well identified, this is
> confusing. I'd create a new field, such as "Quote from Spec",
> and move the "Comment:" heading to where the actual comments start.
> Regards,    Martin.
> >We think that HTML 5, like HTML 4, should be able to render bidirectional
> >text without a style sheet. It would break backwards compatibility to
> >remove the ability of a browser to do so without CSS. Therefore in our
> >opinion, HTML 5 has to describe the expected behavior in at least the
> >detail of HTML 4 rather than leave it up to the \"presentation layer\".
> >
> >
> >Note that we do not want to impose a requirement on implementations of
> >5 to implement CSS, but you could describe the expected behaviour by just
> >referencing CSS and defining a default stylesheet fragment. This would
> just
> >mean that an HTML 5 implementation has to make things behave as if it
> used
> >this CSS default stylesheet fragment
> #-#-#  Martin J. Du"rst, Assoc. Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University
> #-#-#  http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp       mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp
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