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Re: [WCAG2 TECHS] i18n comment 5: H56 source text

From: Najib Tounsi <ntounsi@emi.ac.ma>
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:00:56 +0000
Message-ID: <476021D8.6090708@emi.ac.ma>
To: Loretta Guarino Reid <lorettaguarino@google.com>
CC: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>, public-comments-wcag20@w3.org, public-i18n-core@w3.org


Loretta Guarino Reid wrote:
> We have updated  H34 per your suggestions. 

Please note that LRM / RLM are (U+200E / U+200F) 
in stead of (U+202A / U+202B), which are LRE / RLE.


Here are the Bidi Formatting codes in Unicode

Strongly-typed RTL / LTR (invisible) character 
RLM	U+200F	&rlm; &#8207		RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK
LRM	U+200E 	&lrm; &#8206		LEFT-TO-RIGHT MARK

Bidi Control characters
RLE	U+202B  dir="rtl"	RIGHT-TO-LEFT EMBEDDING 
LRE	U+202A 	dir="ltr"	LEFT-TO-RIGHT EMBEDDING
RLO	U+202E 	<bdo dir="rtl">	RIGHT-TO-LEFT OVERRIDE
LRO	U+202D 	<bdo dir="ltr">	LEFT-TO-RIGHT OVERRIDE
PDF	U+202C 	nothing </bdo>	POP DIRECTIONAL FORMATTING


Best regards, Najib


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> We have updated the example
> in H56 to show the entire title within the rtl span, with "W3C"
> enclosed in a nested span with dir="ltr". Thank you for your help.
>
> Regards,
>
> Loretta Guarino Reid, WCAG WG Co-Chair
> Gregg Vanderheiden, WCAG WG Co-Chair
> Michael Cooper, WCAG WG Staff Contact
>
> On behalf of the WCAG Working Group
>
> On Nov 16, 2007 10:00 AM, Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org> wrote:
>   
>> Unfortunately, the example shown will produce exactly the wrong result.  The
>> ", W3C" text must appear inside the span element to produce the expected
>> result.
>>
>> If you change the example, however, you will run into the problem of how to
>> show source text in a sensible fashion, since the hebrew is running right to
>> left, and W3C must run left to right and be positioned to the left.
>>
>> I suggest that you describe the source text rather than show it. Eg. "... o
>> the left of (i.e. after) the Hebrew text. This can be achieved by enclosing
>> the quote in a span, to which the attribute code dir="rtl" has been added."
>>
>> I would also be tempted to show before and after examples, like those I
>> suggested for
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007OctDec/0135.html
>> If you want to do that, and need me to help provide examples and
>> visually-ordered ascii, let me know.  (I didn't do it just in case, because
>> it takes a while to create them.)
>>
>> RI
>>
>>
>> ============
>> Richard Ishida
>> Internationalization Lead
>> W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/International/
>> http://rishida.net/blog/
>> http://rishida.net/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: public-i18n-core-request@w3.org
>>> [mailto:public-i18n-core-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Richard Ishida
>>> Sent: 16 November 2007 15:51
>>> To: public-i18n-core@w3.org
>>> Subject: RE: [WCAG2 TECHS] i18n comment 5: H56 source text
>>>
>>>
>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>   From: Loretta Guarino Reid [mailto:lorettaguarino@google.com]
>>>   Sent: 04 November 2007 05:09
>>>  ...
>>>   Please review our resolutions for the following comments,
>>> and reply to  us by 19 November 2007 at
>>> public-comments-wcag20@w3.org to say whether  you are
>>> satisfied. Note that this list is publicly archived.
>>>  ...
>>>   WCAG 2.0 Editor's Draft of May-October 2007 at
>>> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-20071102/
>>>
>>>  ...
>>>
>>>       
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Comment 10: H56: issues with example similar to H34
>>>> Source:
>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/200
>>>>         
>>> 7Jun/0046.html
>>>       
>>>> (Issue ID: 1968)
>>>> ----------------------------
>>>> Original Comment:
>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Comment from the i18n review of:
>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20070517/
>>>>
>>>> Comment 5
>>>> At http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/0706-wcag2-techniques/
>>>> Editorial/substantive: E
>>>> Owner: RI
>>>>
>>>> Location in reviewed document:
>>>> H56
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> [http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20070517/Overview.html#H56]
>>>       
>>>> Comment:
>>>> The use of the example of source text runs into similar
>>>> problems to those described for H34. You can see how I
>>>> attempted to explain this in examples at
>>>> http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#r
>>>>         
>>> i20030726.140315918
>>>       
>>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>> Response from Working Group:
>>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>  Thank you for helping us improve this technique and the
>>>  example. The code example now reads:
>>>
>>>  <p>The title says "<span lang="he"
>>>  dir="rtl">&#1508;&#1506;&#1497;&#1500;&#1493;&#1514;
>>>  &#1492;&#1489;&#1497;&#1504;&#1488;&#1493;&#1501;</span>,
>>>  W3C" in Hebrew.</p>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>
>>     
>
>
>   
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