Re: [I18N Core] Teleconference Minutes 2007-01-09

>>For the "IDN does it work?" document, I'd suggest showing some important
>>differences among browsers with regard to IDNs. 

agreed.

> That is, they have
>>different strategies for identifying suspicious URLs, although in both
>>cases they use the Punycode to flag such cases.
>>
>>   1. IE7 looks at the languages set in the browser, and deduce from
>>      that a set of scripts. Any name that contains characters outside
>>      of those scripts (or fails in certain other ways) is shown in the
>>      raw punycode form. I believe it also blacklists certain domains.

Thanks for explaining this. I couldn't figure out why IE7's behavior wrt IDN was different 
  on my laptop & desktop.

~mm



>>   2. Firefox assesses the registry policy (in some way), and if they
>>      decide it is satisfactory they let it through. Not sure if they
>>      also have a blacklist.
>>
>>For example:
>>
>>User Entry  Firefox  IE7  Comments
>>www.þorn.is <http://www.%c3%beorn.is/>  http://www.þorn.is/
>><http://www.%c3%beorn.is/>  þ is Latin
>>bäcker.com <http://b%c3%a4cker.com/>  http://xn--bcker-gra.com/
>>http://bäcker.com/ <http://xn--bcker-gra.com/>   
>>путин.museum <http://%d0%bf%d1%83%d1%82%d0%b8%d0%bd.museum/>
>>http://путин.museum/ <http://%d0%bf%d1%83%d1%82%d0%b8%d0%bd.museum/>
>>http://xn--h1akeme.museum/ <http://%d0%bf%d1%83%d1%82%d0%b8%d0%bd.museum/>
>>(*or путин.museum)
>><http://%d0%bf%d1%83%d1%82%d0%b8%d0%bd.museum/>   * путин.museum
>><http://%d0%bf%d1%83%d1%82%d0%b8%d0%bd.museum/> IF the browser accept
>>languages include Russian.
>>I♥NY.museum  http://i♥ny.museum/ <http://i%e2%99%a5ny.museum/>
>>http://xn--iny-zx5a.museum/ <http://i%e2%99%a5ny.museum/>   
>>pаypal.museum <http://p%d0%b0ypal.museum/>  http://pаypal.museum/
>><http://p%d0%b0ypal.museum/>  http://xn--pypal-4ve.museum/
>><http://p%d0%b0ypal.museum/>  'a' is Cyrillic
>>ibm.com⁄foo.museum  http://amazon.xn--comfoo-rq0c.museum/
>><http://amazon.xn--comfoo-rq0c.museum/>  fraction-slash
>>
>>
>>(Personally, I think IE7's policies are more useful, but I suspect the
>>market will force convergence over time.)
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>On 1/10/07, * Felix Sasaki* <fsasaki@w3.org <mailto:fsasaki@w3.org>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>    ... are at http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html and below
>>    as text.
>>
>>    Felix
>>
>>       [1]W3C
>>
>>          [1] http://www.w3.org/
>>
>>                            i18n core Working Group
>>
>>    9 Jan 2007
>>
>>       [2]Agenda
>>
>>          [2]
>>    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Jan/0005.html
>>    <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Jan/0005.html>
>>
>>       See also: [3]IRC log
>>
>>          [3] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-irc
>>
>>    Attendees
>>
>>       Present
>>              Felix, Francois, Michael, Richard
>>
>>       Regrets
>>              Karunesh, Vijay
>>
>>       Chair
>>              Francois
>>
>>       Scribe
>>              Felix
>>
>>    Contents
>>
>>         * [4]Topics
>>             1. [5]1) action items
>>             2. [6]2) CSS 2.1 review
>>             3. [7]3) PLS review
>>             4. [8]4) WS-Policy review
>>             5. [9]5) XML base transition request
>>             6. [10]6) IRI test for XML Schema
>>             7. [11]7) Charmod C064 considered unclear
>>             8. [12]8) BCP 47 URI
>>             9. [13]9) IDNA
>>            10. [14]10) New LC drafts (mainly from last calls agenda)
>>            11. [15]13) AOB
>>         * [16]Summary of Action Items
>>         _________________________________________________________
>>
>>    1) action items
>>
>>       <scribe> ACTION: ACTION: Felix to go back to XML Schema people with
>>       WG reply on IRI test (DONE) [recorded in
>>       [17]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01 ]
>>
>>       <scribe> ACTION: ACTION: Felix to prepare a text of a blog entry
>>       about the IRI / IDN issue in the alverstrand draft and send it
>>       Richard (DONE) [recorded in
>>       [18]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09- i18ncore-minutes.html#action02]
>>
>>       <scribe> ACTION: Michael to propose an update to the section in the
>>       IRI - IDN draft "does it work?" about domain names, see what needs
>>       to be sad these days (DONE) [recorded in
>>       [19]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03]
>>
>>       Francois: I did get the mail on the list
>>
>>       <scribe> ACTION: Richard to add the alverstrand draft to the IRI /
>>       IDN article (DONE) [recorded in
>>       [20]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04]
>>
>>       <scribe> ACTION: all to give feedback on LTLI update (PENDING)
>>       [recorded in
>>       [21]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05 ]
>>
>>       <scribe> ACTION: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG
>>       tiny specific IRI tests to martin and the i18n core list (PENDING)
>>       [recorded in
>>       [22]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06 ]
>>
>>       <scribe> ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod
>>       norm (PENDING) [recorded in
>>       [23]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07]
>>
>>       <scribe> ACTION: Francois to have a look at issue 3698 and gather
>>       information on options for diacrictics in collations (PENDING)
>>       [recorded in
>>       [24]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08]
>>
>>       <scribe> ACTION: Richard to find out what is the canonical URI for
>>       BCP47 (DONE) [recorded in
>>       [25]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09]
>>
>>       Richard: we need to tell PLS to use the RFC editor URI
>>
>>    2) CSS 2.1 review
>>
>>       <scribe> ACTION: Felix to go back to the CSS WG saying that we did
>>       not come to do the CSS 2.1 review and need an extension until 16
>>       Februrary [recorded in
>>       [26]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action10]
>>
>>       Richard: there have been discussions related to the bidi override.
>>       Should we say we want that fixed within CSS 2.1?
>>       ... there is still more discussion tbd
>>
>>       Felix: I send a mail to the WG asking for an extension until 16
>>       Februrary
>>
>>       <scribe> ACTION: Richard to send a mail about our Bidi comment on
>>       CSS 2.1 [recorded in
>>       [27]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action11]
>>
>>    3) PLS review
>>
>>       [28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Jan/000
>>       3.html
>>
>>         [28]
>>    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Jan/0003.html
>>
>>       Richard: I agree with everything, except the BCP 47 reference, which
>>       I mentioned in the 0003 mail
>>
>>       Francois: agree
>>
>>       RESOLUTION: WG agrees with the position of Richard on PLS comments
>>       in
>>       [29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Jan/000
>>       3.html
>>
>>         [29]
>>    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Jan/0003.html
>>
>>       <scribe> ACTION: Richard to go back to PLS folks [recorded in
>>       [30]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action12]
>>
>>    4) WS-Policy review
>>
>>       <scribe> ACTION: Felix to go back to WS policy and say i18n core is
>>       fine with the pocliy drafts [recorded in
>>       [31]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action13]
>>
>>    5) XML base transition request
>>
>>       <fyergeau>
>>       [32]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Dec/001
>>       4.html
>>
>>         [32]
>>    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Dec/0014.html
>>
>>       (Francois describes the XML Core position)
>>
>>       Richard: XML core plans to use the XLink reference in all XML
>>       related specs?
>>
>>       Francois: yes
>>       ... need to reread Martins mail carefully
>>
>>       <scribe> ACTION: Francois to reread Martins mail and to write a
>>       reply to him [recorded in
>>       [33]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action14]
>>
>>    6) IRI test for XML Schema
>>
>>       <scribe> ACTION: Felix to go back to xml schema saying we will have
>>       IRI xml schema tests as part of the IRI test suite, no need to have
>>       them within the xml schema conformance test suite [recorded in
>>       [34]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action15]
>>
>>    7) Charmod C064 considered unclear
>>
>>       <scribe> postponed
>>
>>       <scribe> ACTION: all to look at the C064 issue, see
>>       [35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Dec/002
>>       8.html [recorded in
>>       [36]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action16]
>>
>>         [35]
>>    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Dec/0028.html
>>    <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Dec/0028.html>
>>
>>    8) BCP 47 URI
>>
>>       <scribe> done already
>>
>>    9) IDNA
>>
>>       various people subscribed, but have not followed the discussion in
>>       detail
>>
>>       Michael: would be good to read the mails
>>       ... looked at some before the holidays
>>       ... there was no agreement on topics like script mixing
>>
>>    10) New LC drafts (mainly from last calls agenda)
>>
>>       <scribe> ACTION: Felix to describe potential data binding review
>>       [recorded in
>>       [37]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action17]
>>
>>    13) AOB
>>
>>       Francois: no call next week (Richard and Felix on travel), call in
>>       two weeks (Regrets from Richard)
>>
>>    Summary of Action Items
>>
>>       [NEW] ACTION: all to look at the C064 issue, see
>>       [38]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Dec/002
>>       8.html [recorded in
>>       [39]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09- i18ncore-minutes.html#action16]
>>       [NEW] ACTION: Felix to describe potential data binding review
>>       [recorded in
>>       [40]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action17]
>>       [NEW] ACTION: Felix to go back to the CSS WG saying that we did not
>>       come to do the CSS 2.1 review and need an extension until 16
>>       Februrary [recorded in
>>       [41]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action10]
>>       [NEW] ACTION: Felix to go back to WS policy and say i18n core is
>>       fine with the pocliy drafts [recorded in
>>       [42]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action13]
>>       [NEW] ACTION: Felix to go back to xml schema saying we will have IRI
>>       xml schema tests as part of the IRI test suite, no need to have them
>>       within the xml schema conformance test suite [recorded in
>>       [43]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action15]
>>       [NEW] ACTION: Francois to reread Martins mail and to write a reply
>>       to him [recorded in
>>       [44]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action14]
>>       [NEW] ACTION: Richard to go back to PLS folks [recorded in
>>       [45]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action12]
>>       [NEW] ACTION: Richard to send a mail about our Bidi comment on CSS
>>       2.1 [recorded in
>>       [46]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action11]
>>
>>         [38]
>>    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Dec/0028.html
>>    <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Dec/0028.html>
>>
>>       [PENDING] ACTION: all to give feedback on LTLI update [recorded in
>>       [47]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05]
>>       [PENDING] ACTION: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG
>>       tiny specific IRI tests to martin and the i18n core list [recorded
>>       in [48]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06]
>>       [PENDING] ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod
>>       norm [recorded in
>>       [49]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07]
>>       [PENDING] ACTION: Francois to have a look at issue 3698 and gather
>>       information on options for diacrictics in collations [recorded in
>>       [50]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08]
>>       [DONE] ACTION: Richard to find out what is the canonical URI for
>>       BCP47 [recorded in
>>       [51]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09 ]
>>       [DONE] ACTION: Felix to go back to XML Schema people with WG reply
>>       on IRI test [recorded in
>>       [52]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01]
>>
>>       [DONE] ACTION: Felix to prepare a text of a blog entry about the IRI
>>       / IDN issue in the alverstrand draft and send it Richard [recorded
>>       in [53]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action02]
>>       [DONE] ACTION: Michael to propose an update to the section in the
>>       IRI - IDN draft "does it work?" about domain names, see what needs
>>       to be sad these days [recorded in
>>       [54]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03]
>>       [DONE] ACTION: Richard to add the alverstrand draft to the IRI / IDN
>>       article [recorded in
>>       [55]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04]
>>
>>       [End of minutes]
>>         _________________________________________________________
>>
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>>Mark
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