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Re: ACTION A-Redmond05-01: timezone health warning

From: Mark Davis <mark.davis@icu-project.org>
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 18:38:22 -0700
Message-ID: <4318FE8E.2040208@icu-project.org>
To: Addison Phillips <addison.phillips@quest.com>
CC: ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, Jim Melton <jim.melton@acm.org>, Paul Cotton <pcotton@microsoft.com>, w3c-xsl-query@w3.org, public-i18n-core@w3.org

I made a couple of other changes in the section on TZID comparison.

Mark

Addison Phillips wrote:
> I'm subscribed to the page, so I see your updates in real time. All of your updates were excellent. I corrected the only typo I saw.
> 
> Addison
> 
> Addison P. Phillips
> Globalization Architect, Quest Software
> Chair, W3C Internationalization Core Working Group
> 
> Internationalization is not a feature.
> It is an architecture. 
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Ashok Malhotra [mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com]
>>Sent: 2005?9?2? 17:08
>>To: Addison Phillips; Jim Melton
>>Cc: Paul Cotton; w3c-xsl-query@w3.org; public-i18n-core@w3.org
>>Subject: RE: ACTION A-Redmond05-01: timezone health warning
>>
>>I made a bunch of changes.  Please take a look.
>>
>>All the best, Ashok
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: w3c-xsl-query-request@w3.org
>>>[mailto:w3c-xsl-query-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Addison Phillips
>>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 2:49 PM
>>>To: ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; Jim Melton
>>>Cc: Paul Cotton; w3c-xsl-query@w3.org; public-i18n-core@w3.org
>>>Subject: RE: ACTION A-Redmond05-01: timezone health warning
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks Ashok.
>>>
>>>Instead of sending us a mail with proposed changes, would you
>>>consider putting them into the document directly? If you've
>>>not used the Wiki previously, note that you can't really hurt
>>>the document and this way we can track who did what. Most of
>>>us get notified when the page is changed.
>>>
>>>Wiki instructions here: http://esw.w3.org/topic/HelpOnFormatting
>>>
>>>Addison
>>>
>>>Addison P. Phillips
>>>Globalization Architect, Quest Software
>>>Chair, W3C Internationalization Core Working Group
>>>
>>>Internationalization is not a feature.
>>>It is an architecture.
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Ashok Malhotra [mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com]
>>>>Sent: 2005?9?1? 14:43
>>>>To: Addison Phillips; Jim Melton
>>>>Cc: Paul Cotton; w3c-xsl-query@w3.org; public-i18n-core@w3.org
>>>>Subject: RE: ACTION A-Redmond05-01: timezone health warning
>>>>
>>>>I think a W3C note (now called member submission?) is the
>>>
>>>right way to
>>>
>>>>surface this material.  I will suggest a few changes in wording and
>>>>more specific description of what XML Schema and XML Query
>>>
>>>provide.
>>>
>>>>Watch your mail!
>>>>
>>>>All the best, Ashok
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: w3c-xsl-query-request@w3.org
>>>>>[mailto:w3c-xsl-query-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of
>>>
>>>Addison Phillips
>>>
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:12 AM
>>>>>To: Jim Melton
>>>>>Cc: Paul Cotton; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; w3c-xsl-query@w3.org;
>>>>>public-i18n-core@w3.org
>>>>>Subject: RE: ACTION A-Redmond05-01: timezone health warning
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks, Jim. If you happen to think of better terms, we would be
>>>>>*very* happy to have suggestions. Note that the document
>>>
>>>is in the
>>>
>>>>>Wiki and can be modified.
>>>>>
>>>>>I think that Note would be an appropriate format for this
>>>>>information. Perhaps work on time zones would be
>>>
>>>appropriate in some
>>>
>>>>>other formats (like a REC) in the future, but this isn't it.
>>>>>
>>>>>A non-normative reference to it would be fine. Perhaps,
>>>
>>>if I may be
>>>
>>>>>so bold:
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Note Well: Users and implementers handling time-related
>>>
>>>data should
>>>
>>>>>take the considerations in [[href:Note]] into account
>>>
>>>even if time
>>>
>>>>>zone sensitive data is rarely used. Sooner or later some
>>>
>>>data will
>>>
>>>>>be affected by the issues described in that document.
>>>>>--
>>>>>
>>>>>The I18N Core WG will work to publish this ASAP, once we
>>>
>>>are all in
>>>
>>>>>agreement on the course of action.
>>>>>
>>>>>Addison
>>>>>
>>>>>Addison P. Phillips
>>>>>Globalization Architect, Quest Software Chair, W3C
>>>>>Internationalization Core Working Group
>>>>>
>>>>>Internationalization is not a feature.
>>>>>It is an architecture.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: Jim Melton [mailto:jim.melton@acm.org]
>>>>>>Sent: 2005?9?1? 10:03
>>>>>>To: Addison Phillips
>>>>>>Cc: Paul Cotton; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com;
>>>
>>>w3c-xsl-query@w3.org;
>>>
>>>>>>public- i18n-core@w3.org
>>>>>>Subject: RE: ACTION A-Redmond05-01: timezone health warning
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Addison,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am very pleased with your draft text.  It is one of the
>>>>>
>>>>>better, more
>>>>>
>>>>>>concise, and clearer discussions of this rather annoying
>>>>>
>>>>>problem that
>>>>>
>>>>>>I've encountered.  I am not particularly delighted with
>>>
>>>the three
>>>
>>>>>>names you've chosen, but I don't currently have a better
>>>>>
>>>>>alternative to offer.
>>>>>
>>>>>>You say that you wish to publish the document as a Note
>>>
>>>and that
>>>
>>>>>>we would then reference it in our document[s].  I
>>>
>>>assume that our
>>>
>>>>>>reference would be non-normative, because the text of a Note is
>>>>>>not itself normative in any sense.  Right?  If my assumption is
>>>>>
>>>>>correct,
>>>>>
>>>>>>then I would have no objections to following your suggested
>>>>>
>>>>>action.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Among the advantages is the fact that a Note can be
>>>>>
>>>>>published pretty
>>>>>
>>>>>>quickly so that it is available no later than our documents
>>>>>
>>>>>going to
>>>>>
>>>>>>CR status, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If I find little quibbles that I'd like changed, what
>>>
>>>is the best
>>>
>>>>>>process for making that happen?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>    Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At 9/1/2005 09:48 AM, Addison Phillips wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Paul,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I had an action item to follow up this week with Ashok. I
>>>>>
>>>>>believe we
>>>>>
>>>>>>>are done with our editing homework. The question is
>>>
>>>what form the
>>>
>>>>>>>health warning should take in your document. Our text is
>>>>>
>>>>>slightly long.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>We want to suggest that we publish our document as a Note and
>>>>>>>that you include a reference to it in your document.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The document itself is currently located in the Wiki:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://esw.w3.org/topic/i18nFAQTimeZone#preview
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Please let us know if you have particular concerns with
>>>>>
>>>>>the content
>>>>>
>>>>>>>or if you prefer a different course of action for
>>>>>
>>>>>including material
>>>>>
>>>>>>>from it in yours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Addison
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Addison P. Phillips
>>>>>>>Globalization Architect, Quest Software Chair, W3C
>>>>>>>Internationalization Core Working Group
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Internationalization is not a feature.
>>>>>>>It is an architecture.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>From: Paul Cotton [mailto:pcotton@microsoft.com]
>>>>>>>>Sent: 2005?8?31? 20:55
>>>>>>>>To: ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; Addison Phillips
>>>>>>>>Cc: w3c-xsl-query@w3.org
>>>>>>>>Subject: ACTION A-Redmond05-01: timezone health warning
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>ACTION A-Redmond05-01 Ashok will work with Addison to
>>>>>>>>>develop text for the timezone health warning.
>>>
>>>ETA end of August.
>>>
>>>>>>>>Is the text for the health warning ready?  If it is can
>>>>>
>>>>>one of you
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>please reply to this message with the proposed text or
>>>>>
>>>>>a pointer to it?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>/paulc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
>>>>>>>>17 Eleanor Drive, Nepean, Ontario K2E 6A3
>>>>>>>>Tel: (613) 225-5445 Fax: (425) 936-7329
>>>>>>>>mailto:pcotton@microsoft.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>==============================================================
>>>>>==========
>>>>>
>>>>>>Jim Melton --- Editor of ISO/IEC 9075-* (SQL)     Phone:
>>>>>
>>>>>+1.801.942.0144
>>>>>
>>>>>>   Co-Chair, W3C XML Query WG; F&O (etc.) editor    Fax :
>>>>>
>>>>>+1.801.942.3345
>>>>>
>>>>>>Oracle Corporation        Oracle Email: jim dot melton at
>>>>>
>>>>>oracle dot com
>>>>>
>>>>>>1930 Viscounti Drive      Standards email: jim dot melton
>>>>>
>>>>>at acm dot org
>>>>>
>>>>>>Sandy, UT 84093-1063 USA          Personal email: jim at
>>>>>
>>>>>melton dot name
>>>>>
>>>>>==============================================================
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>>>>>
>>>>>>=  Facts are facts.   But any opinions expressed are the
>>>>>
>>>>>opinions      =
>>>>>
>>>>>>=  only of myself and may or may not reflect the opinions
>>>>>
>>>>>of anybody   =
>>>>>
>>>>>>=  else with whom I may or may not have discussed the
>>>>>
>>>>>issues at hand.
>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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