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Re: Proposal: Provide better advice on constraint validation instructions

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:03:13 +0000
Message-ID: <CA+ri+VnRYT5A+6V29CEs3SxPtn6O3Jcfft7iakztzH=KV66RDA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
Cc: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
>
> Excuse me, but how did you verify that VoiceOver announced the help
> text in question "as a help_ text"? (Versus as other kinds of text?)


because is says: "the help tag is"...


with regards

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On 14 March 2013 17:00, Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no
> wrote:

> Steve Faulkner, Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:45:22 +0000:
> >>> I do hover not trust you on your browser testing. That is to say: You
> >>> want to fix an interoperability problem, and then it does’t help that
> >>> it works in an inspector if it doesn't work in browser.
> >>
> >> ??? the inspector shows what the browser is exposing via the
> accessibility
> >> API in this case the Axhelp property value.
> >
> >> Let's say that description of the AX inspector is true: Still the AX
> >> inspector could have bugs.
> >>
> >
> > this was coupled with it being announced by voiceover as expected
> > identified as a help text...
>
> Excuse me, but how did you verify that VoiceOver announced the help
> text in question "as a help_ text"? (Versus as other kinds of text?)
>
> Like I said: I have tested in the same version of Safari as you, on the
> same systems. And VoiceOver did indeed announce that help text.
> However, further analysis, including comparison with how it works in
> Webkit nightly and iCab, showed that it was only the normal source
> order that caused it to be announced. Thus: You can just remove the
> aria-describedby, and it will work just as the same way. (However, if
> you get a copy of Webkit where aria-describedby works, then the help
> text will be read twice to the user.)
>
> To hopefully clear up exactly the issue above, it would be helpful if
> you could bother yourself to run the test that I advised you to take 3
> messages ago,[1]
>
> [1]
> http://www.w3.org/mid/20130314003355646983.6180c28d@xn--mlform-iua.no
> --
> leif halvard silli
>
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