Re: <subline> becomes <subhead> and other updates

Hi Jukka,

Of course, this would not work, since <small> is mostly something else, and
> much of legalese is not <small>.
>

do you have data to support this?

what are the main types of use for <small>?

a few I have seen are: is there a common relationship that covers these
apparently disparate uses?

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On 17 June 2013 12:19, Jukka K. Korpela <jukka.k.korpela@kolumbus.fi> wrote:

> 2013-06-17 13:48, Bruce Lawson wrote:
>
>> If we want to  tighten up the definition of <small> and exclude its use
>> for subheadings, I suggest tightening up the wording:
>>
>
> The definition of <small> should reflect its actual use, its treatment in
> browsers and other software. This means following the HTML tradition:
> <small> means reduced font size. Anything else means complicated and vague
> definitions - and will hardly change the reality. People will keep using
> <small> if they feel they need it.
>
>
>  How about making the definition "The small element represents legalese
>> (often colloquially called "small print") such as disclaimers, caveats,
>> legal restrictions, copyrights,  attribution, or for satisfying licensing
>> requirements."
>>
>
> That would be an arbitrary definition and would exclude most of the actual
> use that <small> has had, and has. If the definition were taken seriously,
> people (and browsers) could use the CSS rule
> small { display: none }
> in user/browser style sheets, since few people want to see legalese. Of
> course, this would not work, since <small> is mostly something else, and
> much of legalese is not <small>.
>
>
>  And make the first note say "It is not appropriate for representing
>> sub-headers or sublines".
>>
>>  Would this imply "...even when the sub-header or subline is legalese"?
> :-)
>
> From the normative point of you, a note about something not being
> appropriate would not be a conformance requirement, I suppose. But it would
> still be a wrong message: using <small> is the only way of presenting a
> less important part of a heading in a manner that works across all
> browsers, down to the oldest browsers.
>
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