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Re: added note warning about use of placeholder as a label

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:34:11 -0800
Message-ID: <CA+ri+VmjSdZj2Omy=xGcySkip82xFWMd3G72wL2tTHVKPf1=Tg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Jay Munro <jaymunro@microsoft.com>
Cc: Mallory van Achterberg <stommepoes@stommepoes.nl>, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>, HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
thanks Jay,

>Letís hope folks heed the note.

if it influences even only a few its worthwhile.

regards
Steve

On 27 February 2013 08:27, Jay Munro <jaymunro@microsoft.com> wrote:

>  Looks good Steve. ****
>
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> Letís hope folks heed the note. ****
>
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> *From:* Steve Faulkner [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:30 AM
> *To:* Mallory van Achterberg
> *Cc:* Jay Munro; HTMLWG WG; HTML Accessibility Task Force
> *Subject:* Re: added note warning about use of placeholder as a label****
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> Hi Mallory,****
>
> With my G-nazi hat on:
> Grammatically, the semi-colon after "shown at all times" should be
> a comma. Pre-filled is usually one word when used as an adjective.****
>
>
> fixed thanks! ****
>
>
> https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/07691961a502d292f24bb573e024c1200770867c
> ****
>
> On 27 February 2013 06:16, Mallory van Achterberg <
> stommepoes@stommepoes.nl> wrote:****
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 12:03:51AM -0800, Steve Faulkner wrote:
> > Hi Jay, Mallory
> >
> > I have updated the note after reviewing your feedback
> >
> > now reads [1]:
> >
> > Use of the placeholder attribute as a replacement for a label can reduce
> > > the accessibility and usability of the control for a range of users
> > > including older users and users with cognitive, mobility, fine motor
> skill
> > > or vision impairments. While the hint given by the control's label is
> > > shown at all times; the short hint given in the placeholder attribute
> is
> > > only shown before the user enters a value. Furthermore, placeholder
> text
> > > may be mistaken for a pre filled value, and as commonly implemented the
> > > default color of the placeholder text provides insufficient contrast
> and
> > > the lack of a separate visible label reduces the size of the hit region
> > > available for setting focus on the control.
> > >
> >
> > further feedback welcome!
> >
> > [1]
> >
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/forms.html#the-placeholder-attribute
> >
> > regards
> > SteveF****
>
> With my G-nazi hat on:
> Grammatically, the semi-colon after "shown at all times" should be
> a comma. Pre-filled is usually one word when used as an adjective.
>
> cheers,
> Mallory****
>
> ** **
>



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