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Re: allow footer in blockquote for citations

From: Andrew Herrington <a.d.herrington@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 10:46:05 +0100
Cc: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
Message-Id: <B3DFD208-F979-459E-AB33-C75954605438@gmail.com>
To: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Hi Steve, 

I think my query wasn't clear.

I generally support the change in the spec but I don't understand why we're requiring the attribution (if there is one) inside the block quote to be inside a footer element (see bolded part below)

"Attribution for the quotation, may be be placed inside the blockquote element, but must be inside a footer element"

Point 2 on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013Aug/0100.html seems to back the assumption that most people use the pattern:

<blockquote>
Blah blah
<cite><a href=”http://example.com/foo”>A person</a></cite>
</blockquote>

rather than:

<blockquote>
Blah blah
<footer><cite><a href=”http://example.com/foo”>A person</a></cite><footer>
</blockquote>

I think footer should still be allowed (for anything that doesn't fit inside a cite element) but I think we should allow the first pattern as people are using it and it has semantic value.


KInd regards,

Andrew



On 29 Aug 2013, at 10:21, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
> 
> >Apologies if I missed this but what is the reason for requiring the citation to be in a footer
> 
> its not a requirement, 
> its a relaxing of current requirements to allow for a common use, while providing a way to indicate "this is metadata about the quote"
> 
> suggest reading-
> 
> new (proposed): http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/grouping-content.html#the-blockquote-element
> 
> old: http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-blockquote-element
> 
> change based on:
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22996 (note: am not closing bug as this discussion has some time to run yet)
> http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2013/on-citing-quotations-again/
> http://oli.jp/2011/blockquote/
> http://html5doctor.com/blockquote-q-cite/
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013Aug/0100.html and related
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Regards
> 
> SteveF
> HTML 5.1
> 
> 
> On 29 August 2013 10:15, Andrew Herrington <a.d.herrington@gmail.com> wrote:
> Apologies if I missed this but what is the reason for requiring the citation to be in a footer within the blockquote? Is this in case the quote itself contains a citation?
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Andrew
> 
>  
> On 29 Aug 2013, at 09:55, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> some details:
>> 
>> new (proposed): http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/grouping-content.html#the-blockquote-element
>> 
>> old: http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-blockquote-element
>> 
>> change based on:
>> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22996 (note: am not closing bug as this discussion has some time to run yet)
>> http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2013/on-citing-quotations-again/
>> http://oli.jp/2011/blockquote/
>> http://html5doctor.com/blockquote-q-cite/
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013Aug/0100.html and related
>> question:
>> 
>> Is the change backwards compatible? i.e. does it break anything?
>> data appears to show that metadata about a quote inside blockquote element is common
>> ”inside blockquote” was used 57% of the time, while 
>> “outside blockquote” was used 43% of the time.
>> source:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013Aug/0100.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> SteveF
>> HTML 5.1
>> 
>> 
>> On 29 August 2013 07:53, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have made a change in the HTML 5.1 editors draft to allow citations to be included in a footer element within a blockquote element. 
>> 
>> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/grouping-content.html#the-blockquote-element
>> 
>> 
>> review and comment welcome!
>> --
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> SteveF
>> HTML 5.1
>> 
> 
> 
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