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Re: Encrypted Media proposal (was RE: ISSUE-179: av_param - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals)

From: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 00:16:00 +0000 (UTC)
To: Mark Watson <watsonm@netflix.com>
cc: "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com>, Boris Zbarsky <bzbarsky@mit.edu>, "<public-html@w3.org>" <public-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1203022353110.6189@ps20323.dreamhostps.com>
On Fri, 2 Mar 2012, Mark Watson wrote:
> 
> Ok, what I meant was that customers should not expect to buy a TV that 
> does not support Netflix, plug it into the Internet and *without any 
> other device* access our service.

Why not?

Customers do expect to buy an Internet device (phone, computer, TV, 
tablet, refrigerator, etc), plug it into the Internet, and *without any 
other device* access Bing, Facebook, GMail, Wikipedia, Twitter, Amazon, 
LinkedIn, MSN, Yahoo!, WordPress, eBay, IMDB, Craiglist, Flickr, 
Pinterest, Windows Live, YouTube, PayPal, Tumblr, the White House home 
page, Blogger, Reddit, Slashdot, The New York Times, my home page, the 
W3C's site, the Bank of America site, eHow, porn sites, Dictionary.com, 
MySpace, LiveJournal, C|NET, The Guardian, Yelp, Digg, the Wall Street 
Journal, the Supreme Court Web site, Orkut, HP, the Telegraph, 
TripAdvisor, Citibank, Groupon, Expedia, Intuit, Forbes, iStockPhoto, 
Samsung's home page, the LA Times, the Drudge Report, NewEgg, AllRecipes, 
Verizon Wireless, the Indian Railway Catering and Tourism Corporation, 
BeNaughty.com, Time, CafePress, The Onion, Techmeme, Duck Duck Go, Kiva, 
Airbnb, Quora, McDonald's, Khan Academy, Open Yale Courses, MacRumors.com, 
NetCraft, E*Trade, The Escapist Magazine, Picasa, Groklaw, Barnes and 
Noble, Maddox's page, ArsTechnica, the Huffington Post, Business Insider, 
Gizmodo, 37signals, Fragsworth's fractal canvas, Zeldman's blog, 
truthout, BP's home page, the Obama reelection campaign Web site, GitHub, 
Twit.tv, Politico, the Washington Post, ...

Why exactly would NetFlix be special?

The *entire point* of Web standards is that you *can* plug in any 
arbitrary Internet device and get the entire Web. If you undermine that, 
there's no point having a standard. Might as well stay with the plugins.


> I was pointing out a qualitative difference from the expectation of a 
> customer who buys an mp3 from vendor X and expects it work on any mp3 
> player, whether or not the player contains any 'X-stuff'

The difference is that the customer thinks "the music industry finally 
gets it" and "the movie industry still doesn't get it".

Just because they're used to being scammed doesn't make it ok to do it.

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