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Review of ISSUE-164 change proposals - Part 2: CP no-change hgroup

From: Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 23:00:51 +0000
To: Simon Pieters <simonp@opera.com>
CC: "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <AB5704B0EEC35B4691114DC04366B37FC0608C@TK5EX14MBXC289.redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
We have five change proposals for ISSUE-164:
http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-164

The following is a Chairs review of the following change proposal:

CP no-change hgroup (ISSUE-164)
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0031.html

1. Structure of change proposal

The proposal includes an appropriate Summary, Rationale, Proposed Details and Impact.

2. General comments on change proposal

a) Rationale

>  <hgroup> support has been shipped in multiple browsers,

This statement appears to conflict with the statement in the "replace hgroup with the subline element" [1] change proposal which states:

  *   Or by implementors: in terms of its semantics and effect on the outline algorithm
     *   zero implementations
Providing direct proof of where hgroup is implemented and that the semantics matches those described in the HTML5 spec would greatly strengthen your change proposal.  If the semantics are yet the same in currently shipping browsers you should state what is supported clearly.  Providing data on any planned enhancements from the current support would also strengthen your proposal.

Note that some of the arguments for this position may already exist in the current text in your Impacts section "During the transition period until the outline algorithm is universally
implemented, subtitles will be shown as sections in legacy outline impl."   As mentioned above your Rationale would be stronger if you explained the current implementation status more clearly in your Rationale section.

In addition your change proposal would be much stronger if you provided counter arguments for the arguments in the other change proposals.

Please let the Chairs know by Tue Jul 31 if you plan to revise your change proposal and when you can do the revision by.

[1] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/hgroup

/paulc
HTML WG co-chair

Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
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Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329


Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
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