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Re: noted 3 issues re: time/data (was Re: minutes for HTML WG f2f, 2011-11-04, part 1)

From: Marat Tanalin | tanalin.com <mtanalin@yandex.ru>
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:59:43 +0400
To: Philip Jägenstedt <philipj@opera.com>
Cc: Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com>, Tantek Çelik <tantek@cs.stanford.edu>, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, public-html@w3.org
Message-Id: <105721321628383@web96.yandex.ru>
Philip, thanks for your response, but this is incomplete and unclear without correlative examples using DATA elements instead of @itempropvalue.


18.11.2011, 13:30, "Philip Jägenstedt" <philipj@opera.com>:
> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:02:51 +0100, Marat Tanalin | tanalin.com
> <mtanalin@yandex.ru> wrote:
>
>>  17.11.2011, 22:45, "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>    It would probably be useful if you provide a concrete descriptive
>>>>>>  example showing how DATA element resolve this situation elegant and
>>>>>>  nonconfusing way. Thanks.
>>>>>   I... don't understand.  What situation?
>>>>   Situation that you describe as quite abstract example of why
>>>>  @itemscope and @itempropvalue would be confusing. Then it's logical
>>>>  for you to provide a _concrete_ markup (HTML code) example where DATA
>>>>  element is nonconfusing for marking up same data ('geo', etc.).
>>>  I still don't understand.  The <data> element is irrelevant in the
>>>  situation you're talking about.  You would mark up such a thing as:
>>  Well, let's try to simplify and reformulate.
>>
>>  There is DATA element proposal.
>>  There is @itempropvalue proposal.
>>
>>  You say that @itempropvalue could be confusing.
>>
>>  Then it would be useful that you provide a _concrete_ example where
>>  @itempropvalue _is_ confusing while DATA element is _not_.
>
> 1.
>
> <img src="pic.png" itemprop="img" itempropvalue="pic.jpg">
>
> What is the value of the property "img"? Is it resolved as a URL or is it
> a plain text property? (src and href attributes are resolved as URLs in
> microdata, so itemValue would be something like
> "http://example.com/pic.png" if itempropvalue were not there.)
>
> 2.
>
> <div itemscope itemtype=review>
>    ...
>    <p itemprop=location itemscope itemtype=geo
> itempropvalue="37.3610,-122.0250">
>      Located at <span itemprop=lat>37.3610</span>, <span
> itemprop=long>-122.0250</span>.
>    </p>
> </div>
>
> What is the value of the property "location"? Is it a plain text property
> "37.3610,-122.0250" or the subitem with type "geo" and two properties
> "lat" and "long"?
>
> None of these questions would arise with a <data> element, simply because
> you don't have the extra attribute to overload itemValue with.
>
> --
> Philip Jägenstedt
> Core Developer
> Opera Software
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