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Re: hgroup

From: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 19:48:57 -0400
Message-ID: <4DC09469.3020108@intertwingly.net>
To: public-html@w3.org
Tab and Tantek,

If either of you would like your requests to be seriously considered, I 
would strongly suggest that they be resubmitted in a form that is free 
of any insults directed at either the editor or any other members of the 
working group.

- Sam Ruby

On 05/03/2011 05:34 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote:
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 14:12, Tab Atkins Jr.<jackalmage@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Maciej Stachowiak<mjs@apple.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If anyone actually wants hgroup back (as in, actually included in
>>> the spec, not just dropped via a different process), they can
>>> submit a revert request, or escalate the bug to an issue. If no
>>> one objects, the chairs will assume there is consensus on this
>>> change.
>>
>> Sigh.  I request a revert.  We shouldn't be making changes to the
>> spec (even just the W3C version) solely for appeasement purposes.
>
> I second that request.
>
> The removal of hgroup smells (unscientifically) like the voice of
> armchair complainers with time on their hands being considered more
> strongly than the (implied, often quiet because they don't have time
> to engage in trollish forums) voice of web developers / designers
> that are (may be) likely using such features. Not in all cases, just
> overall. To be clear: this an impression and not meant to direct or
> imply criticism of any particular individual in this forum.
>
> I also speak from anecdotal positive personal experience having
> given several HTML5 workshops and talks teaching/demonstrating use of
> new HTML5 markup including<hgroup>, including mention/documentation
> in a book[1] (though I believe all "how to write" HTML5 books
> provide documentation of how and when to use hgroup, and *know* that
> a few others "Introducing HTML5", "HTML5 for web designers" do).
>
> Tantek [1] http://tantek.com/html5now
>
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