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Re: ISSUE-144 (conforming-u): Chairs Solicit Proposals

From: Kang-Hao (Kenny) Lu <kennyluck@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:18:37 +0900
Message-ID: <4D66F55D.3050904@w3.org>
To: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
CC: HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>, Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi>, Aryeh Gregor <Simetrical+w3c@gmail.com>
(11/01/28 4:02), Sam Ruby wrote:
> On 01/26/2011 02:45 PM, Kang-Hao (Kenny) Lu wrote:
>> Hi HTML WG,
>>
>> Sorry for bring up this old and non-technical issue.
>>
>>> This should be separated out into two separate proposals.
>> I decided on one of the two suggestions I proposed, that is, make all
>> <b>, <i> and <u> non-semantic.[1] That is, <b> = <i> = <u> = <span>
>> semantically. I hope this won't be considered non-orthogonal to the
>> raised issue as this affects <b> and <i> as well.
>
> Filing bug reports on <b> and <i> at this time would be helpful.  This
> could result in a range of things happening from amicable consensus to
> this issue being considered as something that is to be resolved during
> last call instead of before last call.

Done -> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12178

>
> Meanwhile, I encourage you to update the proposal to match what you
> intend to pursue.
>
> Anybody who wishes to advocate the proposal that <u> is redefined as a
> semantic element is welcome to do so -- as a separate proposal.  Feel
> free to reuse portions of the original proposal to the extent it makes
> sense to do so.

I just updated my original proposal[1] to avoid scope creep.  As I don't
believe this is the best solution, I am not sure if I am still able to
submit this proposal. I tried to align with Henri and Aryeh's position
by moving the use case of Chinese proper noun backward, but I also want
to encourage Henri and Aryeh to align the whole proposal to what's in
their mind.

I want to admit that the use case of Chinese proper noun doesn't exist
on the Open Web, but it is on every text book of a student and hence a
use case for say, EPUB. If this violates established design principle, I
can remove that part.

What I submitted before was [2] but since it wasn't linked from the
issue list[3], it might have caused some confusion.

[1] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/UShouldBeConforming
[2] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/BIUHaveNoSemantics
[3] http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-144

Cheers,
Kenny
Received on Friday, 25 February 2011 00:17:21 UTC

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