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(unknown charset) Re: longdesc - beside the box

From: (unknown charset) Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:22:15 +0200
To: (unknown charset) Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis <bhawkeslewis@googlemail.com>
Cc: (unknown charset) John Foliot <jfoliot@stanford.edu>, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <20110426132215987560.034cf8fd@xn--mlform-iua.no>
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis, Tue, 26 Apr 2011 10:16:32 +0100:
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 2:57 AM, Leif Halvard Silli wrote:
>> iCab does show a "default visual encumbrance" for images with @longdesc.
> 
> The user has to take a special action (hovering over the image) to 
> display the
> encumbrance (a cursor change), so it's not "default".

That's the same for many links: until you hover above them, you don't 
see it is a link. The styling of links is up to CSS. The same goes for 
:hover styles.

> If we accepted iCab's behavior as a "default visual encumbrance", we'd need
> to reject all Laura's examples of long descriptions with "No Forced Visual
> Encumbrance or Default Visual Indicator".
> 
> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/research/ld.html#noclutter

Sorry, but I don't quite follow. I'd say iCab's behaviour is compatible 
with what she writes.

I'll also say that, when looking at the longdesc bug(s) in Mozilla, it 
seemed exactly the 'context-menu' cursor issue caused a lot of fuzz: 

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258960
http://html4all.org/pipermail/list_html4all.org/2011-April/001109.html

(FWIW: may be it is best to not use the 'context-menu' cursor but 
rather, as iCab does, use a similar 'there is an linked document for 
this item' cursor..)

> All discoverable metadata can be made visible. The actions required 
> to do this
> range from trivial (hovering) to hard (writing a custom scraper). But
> don't confuse
> "easily discoverable metadata" with visible data.

See above.
-- 
leif halvard silli
Received on Tuesday, 26 April 2011 11:22:47 UTC

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