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Re: Revert request for r5981, and moving forward on ISSUE-129

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:23:17 +0100
Message-ID: <BANLkTin4WBGLdbBSic+AjOgDor8amX232w@mail.gmail.com>
To: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
Cc: Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>, public-html-request@w3.org, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
Hi Maciej,

I have provided am updated set of spec changes for review by the working group:
http://www.html5accessibility.com/tests/aria-changesv2.html

The  differences between the original:
1. I have removed all text outside of the tables as there are no
changes to this text.
2. removed the chnages in rows relating to table, tr, td, th as these
were not in the change proposal.
3. All other changes remain the same except for the restrictions on headings.

the spec text in regards to headings is intended to convey:
- for implementors: default implied roles on headings
- for authors: applying a heading role is allowed.

I have attempted to take into account The HTML5 editors comments in
regards to the changes on headings

ian wrote [1]
"(b) would be self-contradictory (making the default non-conforming)."

[2]
"regarding headings
specifically, your table suggests that authors should be required to apply
an aria-level="" property to every heading, which is just absurd."

Admittedly it is very difficult to ascertain what would in the opinion
of the editor would improve the spec text in regards to headings, as
he appears unwilling to actually state it although he has been asked
[3]

steve wrote:
">regarding headings
>specifically, your table suggests that authors should be required to apply
>an aria-level="" property to every heading, which is just absurd.

I am unclear on how you reached this conclusion, but if there is spec text
you think can clarify that this is not the case, feel free to suggest it to
the list or submit a last call bug."



[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0265.html
[2]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0233.html


regards
Stevef

On 11 April 2011 23:38, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> wrote:
>
> We have two requests to revert the change attempting to implement the
> ISSUE-129 decision, specifically,
> <http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=5980&to=5981>. There seems to
> be ongoing debate about the correct changes to make. Given the two requests
> and the ongoing controversy, we are inclined to grant the revert request. At
> the same time, because this is a WG decision, it is necessary to ultimately
> make a change to implement the decision.
> Therefore:
> 1) We request timely revert of revision 5981 as a temporary
> measure: <http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=5980&to=5981>
> 2) We ask that any further approaches to applying this decision should be
> posted to the WG first for review; either full spec text or a diff posted to
> the WG would be sufficient.
> 3) If there are inconsistencies or unintended consequences that go beyond
> matters of interpreting the decision, we request that anyone identifying
> such should file bugs.
> Regards,
> Maciej
> On Apr 11, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote:
>
> +1
>
>
> Rich Schwerdtfeger
> CTO Accessibility Software Group
>
> <graycol.gif>Steve Faulkner ---04/11/2011 02:06:53 AM---Dear Chairs, Due to
> the HTML5 editors apparent unwillingness [7] to apply the edits as
>
> From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
> To: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>,
> Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>
> Cc: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
> Date: 04/11/2011 02:06 AM
> Subject: request to the HTML WG Chairs on ISSUE-129 aria-mapping
> Sent by: public-html-request@w3.org
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> Dear Chairs,
> Due to the HTML5 editors apparent unwillingness [7] to apply the edits as
> outlined in [6]
> I formally request this change [1] be reverted [2] per the issues that I
> cited [3], and ask I once again
> that the "set of edit instructions that state exactly what should change"
> [4] and accepted by Sam [5], that the HTMl5 editor specifically asked for be
> applied as is,
> and I further ask that there should be public discussion before any
> additional changes be made to this text.
>
>
>
> [1] http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=5980&to=5981
> [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0125.html
> [3] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10066#c33
> [4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0067.html
> [5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0071.html
> [6] http://www.html5accessibility.com/tests/aria-changes.html
> [7] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0233.html
>
>
> --
> with regards
>
> Steve Faulkner
> Technical Director - TPG
>
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>
>



-- 
with regards

Steve Faulkner
Technical Director - TPG

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