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Re: raising hgroup as an issue

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 10:53:11 +0100
Message-ID: <BANLkTinSrTQtbF_Mwp5D+hwyKCcD04JUig@mail.gmail.com>
To: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
Cc: John Foliot <jfoliot@stanford.edu>, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Hi Maciej, thanks for your quick response

in bug http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11828

Ian wrote:

> Having said that, I don't feel particularly strongly attached to having
the
> <hgroup> element in the HTML5 spec. If you really want me to remove it,
please
> reopen the bug and I'll take care of it.

I have re-opened and asked it be removed until the working group has made a
decision.

I would certainly not want to distract Ian, I just want to ensure that
hgroup is dealt with by the HTML WG as a last call issue.

if there is little effort on Ian's part involved in removing it then i
suggest this would be the best course of action, so the HTML WG can review
and decide upon whether its inclusion is warranted by the use cases or there
are better ways to satisfy said uses cases, during last call.

regards
stevef



On 7 April 2011 10:38, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> wrote:

>
> It looks like two of those bugs (11731, 11828) are resolved, you are
> certainly free to escalate them at any time if you are dissatisfied with the
> outcome.
>
> 11737 is indeed still open. I would personally advise waiting on that one.
> We're currently asking the editor to prioritize applying WG decisions. Once
> the bulk of that work is complete and we are on track to Last Call, we will
> ask editors to look at LC bugs; there is quite a large backlog. In the
> meantime, I would personally prefer not to distract Ian from work on
> applying decisions by asking him to jump on specific LC bugs.
>
> Regards,
> Maciej
>
> On Apr 7, 2011, at 2:03 AM, Steve Faulkner wrote:
>
> Hi Maciej,
>
> on february 1st you wrote:
>
> "so far, the editor hasn't resolved the bug yet, and it's been less than 30
> days. If the bug gets rejected, or if it sits unaddressed for an overly long
> time, it would be fine to escalate it to an issue."
>
> its now april 7th and there has been no action by the editor, so would like
> to raise it as a last call issue, any objections?
>
> Lars Gunther provides a good summation of where we are at in regards to
> hgroup [1]
>
> I for one think that hgroup is something worth discussing sooner rather
> than later, as I believe there is a good chance that  further discussion and
> review will lead to a substantive change. Having hgroup as is,  in the
> HTML5 spec, if indeed it is removed or modified, does no one any favours
> especially developers who may use the element.
>
> bugs [2] relating to hgroup
>
> [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jan/0256.html
> [2] 11731 <http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11731> , 11737<http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11737>,
> 11828 <http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11828>
>
>
> regards
> stevef
>
> On 1 February 2011 19:27, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2011, at 11:16 AM, John Foliot wrote:
>>
>> > Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
>> >>
>> >> That's definitely the case, and we intent to apply the decision policy
>> >> as usual. If the bug report on this ends up escalated to a tracker
>> >> issue, we will treat it as a Last Call issue.  All I'm saying is that
>> >> we do not intend to do anything special outside the bounds of the usual
>> >> process.
>> >
>> > Given the scope of the topic being discussed (should <hgroup> remain) it
>> > seems that this is beyond just a simple bug, and so it needs to be
>> > escalated as an issue, then sit back and wait for it to be addressed in
>> > due course - is that correct Maciej?
>> >
>> > Steve, do you care to do the honors?
>>
>> So far, the editor hasn't resolved the bug yet, and it's been less than 30
>> days. If the bug gets rejected, or if it sits unaddressed for an overly long
>> time, it would be fine to escalate it to an issue.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Maciej
>>
>>
>
>
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>
> Steve Faulkner
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