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Re: ISSUE-31 Change Proposal

From: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:30:38 -0500
Message-ID: <AANLkTinN4U3b6DoXmTl_OAUC0I8oKLf-b9cqgVSUqG_H@mail.gmail.com>
To: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
Cc: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
Hi Sam,

I think/hope that I have now addressed the concerns that you have raised. I:

1. Added rationale for all changes.
2. Removed the reference to the paragraph-section-heading loophole, as
Ian indeed removed it from the spec per as requested in Bug 9217.
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9217
I just hope it doesn't reappear in the spec.

In addition, I updated all three of my current proposals for Issue 31.
So far, all together I have three proposals and possibly a fourth.
They are:

1. Replace img Guidance for Conformance Checkers. January 26, 2010.
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20090126
In this one I tried to incorporate WAI CG's advice.
http://www.w3.org/2009/06/Text-Alternatives-in-HTML5

2. Require alt. Correct Definition to Provide Equality. Replace
Guidance for Conformance Checkers. May 04, 2010. (makes alt and src
attributes equivalent.)
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20100504
In this one I tried to address Vlad Alexander concerns.
http://rebuildingtheweb.com/en/correct-img-element-definition/

3. Require alt Ala HTML4. Replace img Definition and Guidance for
Conformance Checkers. May 10, 2010.
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/index.php?title=ChangeProposals/ImgElement20100510
In this one I tried to address Jonas and T.V Raman's concerns.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010May/0186.html

Could you please enter 2 and 3 above into the Change Proposal Status
spreadsheet?
http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-031

Sam, if I need to do anything else to make these proposals worthy of
consideration, please let me know.

Back in April I also started a variant of the January 26, 2010
proposal, which would be proposal number 4. It incorporates an
incomplete/missing/noalt attribute, which WAI CG said they would not
oppose. But no one has expressed much interest in it. I would need
help to specify the element itself. If people want to discuss and
collaborate that propsal, it is:

4. Add an incomplete/missing/noalt attribute. Replace img Guidance for
Conformance Checkers.
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/User:Lcarlson/ImgElement

Thank you.

Best Regards,
Laura
--
Laura L. Carlson

On 6/23/10, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> This change proposal needs to be updated both in order to provide a
> rationale for each change requested, and to reflect differences from the
> current draft of the document.
>
> As a concrete example, the proposal provides no rationale for removing
> the paragraph-section-heading "loophole" save for a pointer to a bug
> report, and the resolution of that bug report indicates that that
> condition was removed.  Looking at the current text, this condition is
> indeed no longer present:
>
> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#guidance-for-conformance-checkers
>
> Other specific examples: There is rationale given for allowing
> role="presentation", aria-label or aria-labeledby as exemptions for alt.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> On 02/11/2010 03:03 AM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
>> (+public-html)
>>
>> Hi Laura,
>>
>> I've recorded this as an additional Change Proposal for ISSUE-31:
>> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-031
>>
>> (I've suggested previously that you and Ian should work together to
>> identify any changes here that are uncontroversial, so they can be
>> directly applied to the HTML5 draft; I hope the two of you find some
>> time to make progress on that.)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Maciej
>>
>> On Jan 28, 2010, at 2:18 AM, Laura Carlson wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>
>>> I have drafted a Change Proposal for HTML ISSUE-31.
>>>
>>> Summary:
>>> The current guidance for conformance checkers for Section 4.8.2.1 the
>>> img element is unclear and does not implement WAI CG's advice on the
>>> validation of short text alternatives. This change proposal replaces
>>> the current guidance with clear guidance that lists all required short
>>> text alternative options that exist to be considered valid. It enables
>>> automatic validators to programmatically detect the presence or
>>> absence of text alternatives.
>>>
>>> Full proposal is at:
>>> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20090126
>>>
>>> Ideas for improvement are most welcome.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Laura
>>> --
>>> Laura L. Carlson

-- 
Laura L. Carlson
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