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(unknown charset) Re: Decentralized poetry markup (language) (ISSUE-41)

From: (unknown charset) Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:26:05 +0100
To: (unknown charset) "Dr. Olaf Hoffmann" <Dr.O.Hoffmann@gmx.de>, HTMLwg <public-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <20100120162605607590.c21ac038@xn--mlform-iua.no>
Dr. Olaf Hoffmann, Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:37:20 +0100:
> The vocabulary collection for literature markup exists, 
> a complete specification too:
> http://purl.oclc.org/net/hoffmann/lml/

> If there is a real interest to extract some subset applicable for
> an integration in (X)HTML with some noticable and usable final
> result, this would be fine and if required and requested I could help ;o)
> On the other hand, I have not much interest to write yet another
> wiki-page, specification, proposal, whatever, just  as a personal
> occupational therapy ;o)

The spec writer/proposer is usually a driving force, I think, in such 
efforts. The point with a separate spec is that those that are 
interested in it can develop it, whereas those that are against it can 
be somewhat sidelined.

> Therefore if there is no common aim to really extend (X)HTML
> with some more semantics,

It doesn't look like poem elements will be making it to the HTML5 
language spec, no. But that doesn't mean that it would be pointless to 
have a text/HTML spec for it. In accordance with what Henri said [1]: 
To most people it is more important that it is considered valid HTML 
than it is that it is considered part of the very HTML5 language spec.

> I recommend using html:div and html:span
> together with the already existing LML vocabulary with a role mechanism 
> or with RDFa (or an equivalent mechanism to provide relations to other
> vocabularies). This requires almost no extra work on drafts to what seems 
> to be already work in progress in the current HTML5 drafts and is already
> applicable within SVG tiny 1.2 and the XHTML+RDFa recommendation.

This started with your reaction against a certain mark-up of a poem in 
a specification draft. It doesn't look like poem mark-up will make it 
into the HTML5 language spec. But at the very least text/HTML needs a 
better way to mark up poems if that is supposed to be improved.

[1] http://www.w3.org/mid/C695B929-C1CD-483B-895A-D1D176CAC89F@iki.fi
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